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  1. padroo

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    I know the 12V Battery has been discussed before but this thread I don't want to talk about problems that peoples battery have had but what is a suitable replacement assuming you don't want to go to Toyota to pay their ransom.

    From what I have found it looks like the battery out of a Chevrolet Spark will fit and work.
    Here is some information/

    BCI Group Size: 140R battery 13-17 Chevrolet Spark

    ACDelco® LN1AGM - Professional™ Battery

    Toyota did it to us again by installing a non standard battery.

    A group 21 is a close match also and NAPA has a battery that they say is a direct fit.

    Battery - NAPA THE LEGEND - Professional - OE Exact Fit 12 Volts Group 140R 445 CCA Top Post

    https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NBP75140R

    The information I have says my 2016 Prius has a conventional lead acid battery and not the AGM battery other years have had. There is no vent feature because it is under the hood.
     
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    A "conventional" wet cell battery does vent, usually directly through a baffled cap where water is added.

    An AGM still is a better choice for a replacement........unless maybe you just want to get it ready for a quick sale.

    An OEM conventional wet cell can be replaced with anything that fits the available space and has a similar Amp-Hour capacity. In a pinch, even something smaller with less capacity.

    IF......your '16 already needs a battery, that should be a good clue that a conventional wet cell type will not last as long as an AGM in similar circumstances.
     
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    what is toyota's list price on the oem? i thought they bragged about moving it under the hood to make the size more conventional.
     
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    No my '16 only has 1400 miles on it. 12 volt batteries have been such a big issue this winter I was just curious what was out there.
    I am not partial to AGM or a conventional lead acid battery but I am partial to my money.

    When they moved it under the hood didn't really make much difference in some ways, they used another odd ball size battery that so far I can't find in any of the size groups. They want you to buy their battery.
    I had a Mercury one time that came with TRX tires and wheels. It was an oddball size rim and you could only put a specific tire on that rim unless you changed the whole wheel. Moral of the story, Toyota doesn't play well with others.

    I always like more than one option.

    I am open to opinions on these batteries as suitable replacements. I have not tried either one so it isn't a done deal.
     
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    I remember seeing it met some Japanese standard but most of their sales are outside Japan.
     
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    I don't see any hold-down brackets, not conventional ones the kind that can adjust for height. And there's a ledge along the right side, and the posts are recessed in pockets.

    Visual aid, a pic I snapped at our dealership. Wish I done better with the exposure, the label is blown-out:

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    When you enter 2016 Toyota Prius it says it's not compatible, but that could be shortcoming of their website? It certainly looks very similar.

    The AC Delco was mentioned by @Elektroingenieur I believe, which probably means you can take it to the bank, lol.

    I think this thread should be pinned btw.
     
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    Looks similar to the Chevy Spark Battery. I don't know why the area is raised on both of them.

    It is held down at the bottom with the little ledge that stick out.


    ACDelco® LN1AGM - Professional™ Battery

    Another thing I learned when you talk about "Group Size", this is a North American thing and even though it says international I don't thing it really is. It doesn't look like the Japanese follow this protocol.

    What are Battery Group Numbers? - UPS Battery Center
     
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    confound them!:mad:
     
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    Has your battery shown signs of failing? I would have thought it would last a long time, seeing it isn't required for cold-cranking etc.
     
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    I note the highish amp hours and lowish Cold Cranking Amps in the above pic. I think that would a dependable combo. I am clueless but heard hear that the higher the CCA, the more the reliance on thinner/more plates, which compromises amp hours and durability?

    Like doing tax returns, start the research early. (y)
     
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    200 bucks? scammed again by toyota.
     
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    I'm hoping my 12v lasts the life (for me) of the car. My last 3 cars did.
     
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    mine too, but there have already been some gen 4 replacements. warranty, no doubt.
     
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    No problem with my battery. Even though the car is a 2016 I didn't buy it until Nov of 2017 and only has 1,400 miles on it.
    I have only put gas in it twice. If it were to fail it should be under warranty.
    I was just looking around to see what was available for the future, in another year or two some of these batteries will start to fail.
     
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    My last car, I sold at 4 3/4 yrs, and the battery was still fine. Similarly to yours, it was a late 2010 build, but I bought just before the end of 2011, so the battery was almost 6 years old at that stage.
     
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    Average Life of A Car Battery . How Long Does A Car Battery Last ?

    SO, HOW LONG DOES A CAR BATTERY LAST ?
    The average lifespan of a typical car battery ranges from two to five years, with four years being the most common age when the battery starts showing signs of wear down.

    There is a good chance the battery in your new car is a year or two old when you buy the car.
    My 2016 was two years old when I bought it and was sitting on the showroom floor with a dead battery.
     
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    yeah, that's bad. fortunately, all three of my pri were fresh off the boat. unfortunately, i could have purchased a lot of 12v batteries for the extra i paid for fresh off the boat cars.:cool:
     
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    I lost a 3 year old battery for my whole house generator last summer. It was just barely over the three year replacement period by days and it failed. It was a Die Hard from Sam's Club.

    My 2006 Dodge Dakota has it's original Mopar battery. You loose on one end and make out on the other.
     
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    agreed. my 2004 generator battery, and 2005 dakota battery are still going. the generator has an automatic float charger, which must be helping.
    hope i didn't jinx myself.:oops:
     
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