Gen 2 Hybrid Battery: Still error after replacement of one bad cell

what are the timing chain symptoms?

 

iMax B6 on Chinese portals costs under $ 15, if You do not want from China, you can also see here http://www.allegro.pl (AC version price around $ 23, shipping from Poland so EU guarantee).
Instead of the AC version, You can buy a regular DC and use any 12V + / 5A power supply, e.g. from Xbox or dedicated to this charger costs about 5 €, and the DC charger is much cheaper and smaller.

Similarly with the modules, I was thinking about the order from the US, but the cost of the shipment and time are unprofitable in my opinion. I don't know how are at Your, but I found a guy locally which acquires whole batteries and regenerates modules in the same way as EA does in the US (this is not secret knowledge and most people involved in modeling have seen the batteries in the "little finger", the only problem is to find one who wanted to explore the topic of these specific cells
Sample prices of modules in the company from which I bought:
4000 - 5000mAh around 5-7 years old - $25
6000 - 6500mAh (like new) max. 3 years old - $40-$45

I strongly advise You not to buy modules on eBay from unverified sources, very often they are simply removed batteries from crashed cars, in no way tested for unknown capacity.

I did it in such a way that I sent all my modules to check and after fully testing all, we decided just to what capacity we are rebuilding the package.
Mine battery apart from 3 modules that "died", was very unbalanced (capacity differences ranged by up to 100% between 2000 and 5000mAh), also without full regeneration replacing damaged ones would give almost nothing

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that is low mileage for a severely stretched chain, but i suppose it is possible

 

You can use a 12V Battery as power supply. But it may turn out that there is not enough electricity in it for the entire cycle.
Discharging from what I know consumes even more energy than charging.
Each module separately must pass min. 3 charge and discharge cycles.
Are you going to connect with this with a larger number of iMax chargers?... After thinking about it, I'm pretty sure that above 2 pcs. IMax acu 12V will discharge... Also note that there will be no protection between the 12V Battery and the charger against excessive battery discharge - if You do not constantly monitor its voltage you can damage it.
Also in your situation I advise against powering the iMax with acu 12V.

So, if You ordered from the UK to France, You might as well order from PL to Fr?
If so, in my opinion the best solution, which I also chose.
(I didn't have chargers either, and I'd have to buy everything at once. Additionally, when I thought that the whole process would take min. 2-3 weeks, I wanted to do the first regeneration myself.)
My way:
I negotiated with a guy who deals with battery regeneration (batteries in general, not just a hybrid - the difference is that he treats every package he puts together as his product, and you are not charged for the "HV battery regeneration service", which often involves simply replacing the modules with a reasonably efficient and "may be durable" to terminate the warranty )
But to the point
I negotiated with a guest that I send all my modules to him, he tests and regenerates them as his own, after knowing in what condition my whole battery is, we decide what capacity we are rebuilding the package.
e.g. initially I wanted to replace damaged cells with "almost new" ones with a capacity of 6000-6500mAh, but it turned out that in addition to 3 damaged, 9 other are below 3000mAh, so it was better for me to buy 12 pcs. 4500-5000mAh instead of "crazy" with "like new", which would not give me anything, because the package had about 2500mAh (as much as the weakest cell).

Think about whether it is better to remove and pack all modules, send someone to check and regenerate (for them it is 2 days, for you 2 weeks lightly). Knowing your capacity you will determine how much and for which you exchange and only mount a ready package.
One advice, be sure to write down all module serial numbers before shipping so that you can check back later.
If in France this type of service is definitely more expensive than, for example, $300-350 for regeneration and sale of 10 modules + balancing everything together - send to PL and that's it
You will lose a few days for transport, but if You save it properly it can make sense to me.
Below you will order only 1 or 2 iMax chargers and if one module will "diverge" from others, you will try to resuscitate it.

At least I did it

EA - Electron Automotive, you Guys from US.

I think he can send.
But as I wrote above. In my opinion, buying modules without checking your battery is a bit pointless.
Look at my example. According to computer and voltage I had 3 damaged. If I had only replaced them, the error would probably have disappeared, but the battery would still have 1/3 -1/4 of factory capacity and probably in a moment another module would die... and again undressing from the beginning

If you want to contact him, please write me a private message.
In the meantime I will ask him if he will agree to send to France.
...He is rather a type of oldschool electronics and unfortunately doesn't use FB but the workshop has a properly equipped (photo)https://photos.app.goo.gl/fes3gu92Tbyn4Ena9 ... personally, I trust such a "specialist" more than pushed-out "authorized" services. But that's just my opinion, I don't want to criticize any company

I don't know the exact details of their system. However, from what I know, their charger does exactly the same as all model chargers iMax / Turnigy Reaktor, however, thanks to the fact that they have developed a system for ~ 200V, they can charge all modules at the same time. But their system from what I heard does not treat modules individually - so in the case of an unbalanced battery, in my opinion, a better result can be achieved by working on the cells individually. However, later when we have a battery in good condition Prolong is definitely more convenient to use.

 

1. If you got enough time, load test those modules including the replacement you got off eBay using a car headlamp bulb.

2. Charge and discharge them, and observe how they hold their charge.

3. You can use a 12V power supply, to individually charge the modules if you have.

4. You should have replaced all the modules on that block that had 6...volts.

5. Pay specific attention also to those other modules displaying 7.33V from the other existing ones.
You could discharge and recharge those ones(7.33V) several times and see if they catch up with those with 7.66volts.

6. Unplug the smart unit (battery ECU) connector and check for corrosion on the pin outs.

7. For the p0016 code, you can be rest assured that with time, you'd hear some rattle noises in the engine when you accelerate while driving.


Regards,
Dxta


PS: that's a gen2 with the battery smart unit with its corroded pinout.
The pack was OK, but I was getting a replace a hybrid pack code.
Had to cleaned out the terminals using electronic cleaner, and resolder one of the terminals that almost fell off.

 

It is important to check them also how they react to discharge with a higher current. E.g. first / second cycle discharging 1A, next if capacity is ok we switch to a higher current e.g. 2.5A, then 3.5A

WITH THIS CAUTION, Classic rectifier or the automatic battery charger 12V will not disconnect the voltage (they do not have the Delta peak detection function).
It is much safer to charge with the rectifier / charger with 12V modules in pairs (14.4V). If at 12V the charger will give 5A or more, it will be too much according to me. We will get the "quick charger" effect in the best case, damage the module in the worst case. This is not what We are all about

After my observations, small differences in self-discharge, such as 0.3V in 48h do not have a major impact on work under load. But I didn't do long-term tests, so it can be unreliable.

Something new again.
Thanks for the info

Can You say something more please?

Did you secure the metal plates and battery terminals with something?



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Poland

He replied that he would not like to send internationally.
However, if You want, I can collect the package from him and send it to You.
This is not a big problem, one package in this or that
You would just have to specify what module capacity you want? 4000-5000mAh, 6000-6500mAh, or something else in between?
But this You will only know after cell testing...
Therefore, although it is more difficult, in my opinion, as I wrote earlier - it is better to pack them all, give the guy to check, choose how many modules we want and pick up the ready package for assembly.
Okay, the shipment will be more expensive, but we save a lot of time.
Cheap is my humble opinion

If you want, please write me a private message ... This topic may escape me somewhere in this mass of infos here
or @: uscluk On gmail


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i would read the pertinent section of the repair manual for expert advice

 

You should get the p0016 code sorted out immediately.

First of all, check the engine oil in the engine. Has it being replaced? Does the oil look black and dirty? If it does, you'd get that code too.

The timing on that car may have jumped teeth or overstretched timing chain issues you've got.

Another possibility is that the intake camshaft gear may have a problem.

If you're techy, you can opened up the valve cover, and turn the engine manually at the crankshaft pulley area, until #1 piston is at TDC. That way, you can confirm, if the camshaft/crankshaft are in sync with one another.

 

I meant the pin outs in the battery smart unit, and not the HV battery bus bars.
I hope I got your question right though?

 

I understand. I thought that before the smart unit You also took apart modules

I was wondering bus bars and new screws should be protected against corrosion

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