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Gas Prices affect SUV values.

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Godiva, Aug 13, 2005.

  1. Godiva

    Godiva AmeriKan Citizen

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    Gas prices affect SUV values

    "Gas prices have reached another record high in North Carolina.

    The average price is now $2.34 a gallon.

    “The days of cheap gas are over,†said Sarah Davis of AAA Carolinas.

    So is it time to trade in that gas-guzzling, sport utility vehicle for a gas-electric hybrid like the Toyota Prius?"

    "Buddy Flesch, a car salesman at Town and Country Ford in Charlotte, sees some people trading in their SUV for a hybrid -- but not as many as you might think.

    He said that’s because of a Catch-22. Soaring fuel costs are hurting the resale value of the SUVs.

    So are the new employee pricing plans.

    "With the prices going down on the new, they're also going to down on the used,†Flesch said Friday."

    Yep. Some people didn't think of that before they bought. I saw on the news today a guy buying a new GM truck for $9,000 off the sticker. I wonder how much gas that will buy him when it goes over $3 a gallon. And how much will his truck be worth when he's guzzled it all.

    On a different note....I finally got my (retired engineer) Father to ride in my Prius. He had to. I took him to L.A. to see the Tut exhibit. He had no complaints, except that I got too close to the car in front when I braked during the stop and go traffic. I pointed out Arizona Charlie's parking guide and told him I had at least another two feet. He did compliment the smooth ride and that he had no idea I was going 75 mph. And later he said that in a few years everyone will be driving hybrids.

    My Dad is a Cadillac man.

    I imagine if GM made a hybrid Caddy he might consider trading his in. It has less than 50,000 miles on it but already needs new shocks and takes a lot of oil between changes. It's also 7 years old. They'll have to buy another car eventually.

    My Mom likes the car but she wants luxury: leather, heated seats, lumbar adjustments and electronic adjustments in all directions.

    My Dad just wants a bargain: He wants fuel economy, dependability, cheap to maintain, power up hills, good pickup from a stop, fast on the freeway, basically everything the Prius has now. Only it's not a Caddy.

    But I wonder what a few years will bring. When they have to buy another car....this one will be worth very little due to age and (lack of) fuel economy. He'll never be able to trade it in. He'll have to sell it as private party and he will never get what he thinks it's worth. (see this article) But I think if there are a lot more hybrids out there, the prices are comparable, there's no waiting list, they make them more high end inside...I'll bet they might buy one. My Mom will do what my Dad wants. My Dad will buy what makes my Mom happy.

    I'll just tell each of them it's what the other wants.

    Too bad he'll miss the tax credit. He'd *really* like that. (Which means he'll buy a GM since they'll probably still be under their 60,000 allotment.)

    But I really want them to have the HSD and variable automatic.
     
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    Thus far, gas prices have had no appreciable effect on SUV and light truck sales. In fact, Ford sold a record number of F 150s in the last quarter.

    This may have more to do with the rebates as much as anything else, but it just goes to show how short sighted people are when they see a deal on gas guzzlers.

    And now they'll be complaining about high gas prices and how little their trade ins will be worth. Now that GM and Ford have put themself in a hole, how are they going to get out of it after all these unsustainably low prices?

    We want it all. I don't think that's a sustainable approach.
     
  3. Godiva

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    I think the record sales are ALL about the employee discounts.

    I think once those discounts are gone their sales are going to tank.

    And it won't take long for people to realize that they made a bad mistake. Their current car is worth a lot less if they ever decide to trade it in.

    It will be interesting to see if the 'end' of the sale figures are less than at the beginning because in the mean time the price of gas went up. Of course some of these buyers don't care. They'll complain but they'll pay at the pump anyway.

    I wonder what happens when everyone is over $3 a gallon. Then $4.

    One article I read suggested we'd all lose weight because we'd cut down on food to buy gas. I can certainly see people not going to the movies, cooking at home instead of eating out. Buying less electronics and other consumer products. Which will all be more expensive of course, becaue the haulers are going to charge companies for the high price of diesel.
     
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    Just remember that the majority is usually wrong on most things. This is not an attack on anyone, just an observation. When everyone crys panic that is the time to buy - so if you want a great price on a hummer or other big truck this might be a good time to buy. For in a year there is an equal likelihood that gas will be at $4 or $1. Remember the oil criss of the 70' and 80's? Do you remember how after that the price kept going down and about 4 years ago oil was $13 a barrel and gasoline in NJ could be had for under 80 cents a gallon. Oil typically goes in cycles. When the price spikes as it has done it creates panic which cause people to invest in finding more oil, expanding refineries and coming up with new technologies. A few years later a bubble of supply hits and oil is the ultimate fungible commodity -- so prices tend to dive a few years after they peak. Will it happen again -- who knows. The naysayers site China and India and other things, but again that is just a justification for group think and herd mentality. Sure it may not get back to 80 cents a gallon, but I would be will to bet that two years from now gasoline will cost less than it does today.
     
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    People are paying almost $3 a gallon and there hasn't been a drop in demand. People aren't buying less gas. They're paying.

    Do you really think that gas prices will drop when they've proved they can sell it for what they're asking now and demand is constant or even increases?

    They'll use the same strategy that Enron used. They'll make sure the supply is tight. Even if refineries have to be taken off line for "maintenance" or repair or because of a fire or for whatever.

    Will the price fluctuate? Yes. Will it go under $2. I doubt it. It will go down and then up and then down and then up. But in the end, it will continue to inch higher.

    Those new technologies to take advantage of previously unattainable oil are going to cost money. And despite that Energy Bill welfare program, the cost will still be passed on to the consumer.

    The days of cheap gas are over.

    The only way I see gas prices really going down is to remove the demand. An alternative fuel that is cheaper, leaving gas for the few things for whom this new energy source is impractical. I don't see that happening for 20-50 years.
     
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    Well, last quarter isn't August. Regular is $3.16 a gallon at some stations in San Francisco. Its $2.80+ at brand stations in the San Jose area.

    Last time I felt this good was when everyone was setting in line for gas and I was driving a diesel. :mrgreen:
     
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    There is no such thing as "THEY". Oil and gas are global commodities and sell for just about the same price anywhere in the world -- excluding taxes and transportation costs. Thus, if there is a market where the magical "they" are keeping the price up others will come in to make money in that market driving the price back down. Just wait, it will go down.
     
  8. Tideland Prius

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    Government. They're also cashing in on the "price jump". Seriously, how can petrol here cost $1.104 one hour then drop to $0.999 the next hour?? While each station has a pie chart showing how the price is distributed, I doubt that's even true now that it's 40-50¢ more than it was went they posted that chart. To say 10¢/litre goes towards Translink (our public transport company) is bull. If anything, it's probably closer to 20¢. Also, who in the right mind thinks "if I raise fares, more people will take the bus!"?!?!?!?

    ok, that's enough ranting from me.
     
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    Actually the price of oil in dollars is the same everywhere. However, the price of gas at the pump is paid for in local currency. So, if you take a gallon of gas today which costs $3.15 in San Francisco it is 2.53 Euros. That same gallon of gas in 2001 (using the same pump price here) would have been 3.54 Euros. From this you can see that because of the changes in the value of the dollar oil/gas prices have had much less impact. Now yes, the price at the pump here was much lower but you can see how the impact on another nation's economy will be much less due to the rise in oil prices.
     
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    When I traded my 2004 Civic hybrid in on the Prius, I took a $10,000 'bath' from on the trade-in value. I don't think that hybrids will necessarily retain their value any better than a comparable conventional car.

    And, I am still being blasted off of the road by 8mpg SUVs.......

    Wonder when 'they' will start shooting in anger...
     
  11. Tideland Prius

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    They'll probably blame us for their poor resale lol. Like the time someone posted here that the Prius is blamed for the rising fuel costs
     
  12. DaveinOlyWA

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    actually the cost of gas can be explained rather easily. as more and more countries pull themselves into the curent century in terms of salaries and energy needs the cost of gas becomes affordable for a larger portion of the world.

    the average wage in India just 15 years ago was $800 A YEAR. not much left over for gas at any cost...

    but the average wage for Indians in many areas of the country is now $800 a month. that leaves a little for gas. now to keep them guys walking (remember they outnumber us by almost 4 to 1) we have to insure that the amount of money they have left to spend on gas will not be enough to satisfy their basic transportation needs.

    so that is why gas will level off at $3.50 which would be just enough to pushing the emerging 3rd world countries back into the 3rd world.

    obtw...jk