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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by kh060, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. kh060

    kh060 New Member

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    I got this email thru my wife who got this email so i dont know if it is true but here it goes....

    TIPS ON PUMPING GAS

    I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline.... but here
    in California we are also paying higher, up to $3.50 per gallon. But my
    line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some
    tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon..

    Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose , CA we
    deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline One
    day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and
    premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of
    1,800,000 gallons.



    Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when
    the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations
    have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more
    dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the
    afternoon or in the evening....your gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the
    petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the
    gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an
    important role.

    A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business.
    But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the
    pumps.
    When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle
    to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3)
    stages: low, middle, and high. In slow mode you should be pumping on low
    speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All
    hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast
    rate, some of the liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor. Those vapors are
    being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're
    getting less worth for your money.

    One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank
    is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have
    in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates
    faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal
    floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the
    atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here
    where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated
    so that every gallon is actually the exact amount.

    Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the
    storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the
    gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might
    pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom.


    Hope this will help you get the most value for your money.


    DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS!

    Darrin Jacobs

    Les Jacobs Ford Mercury
    PO Box 278
    18690 State Highway 37
    Cassville , MO 65625

    417-847-2151
    417-847-3855 fax
    Les Jacobs Ford-Mercury
     
  2. Stringmike

    Stringmike New Member

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    Mostly Urban Legend - check Snopes, who have just added this myth to their list.

    Gasoline temperature is an issue in hot places like Arizona where I live. Unfortunately, the temperature of underground tanks doesn't vary much with time of day. However, the gas is sold at a temperature hotter than the standard, so we pretty much get stiffed all the time.

    The only possibly true part is to avoid tanks being filled, although I would hope that any filters would get out any debris.

    Mike
     
  3. dogfriend

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    The Prius has an internal bladder inside the fuel tank that minimizes the free air space above the fuel. So this tip really doesn't apply for the Prius.
     
  4. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    Urban legend and useless tripe. There is a grain of truth behind some of it, but it has no practical impact. Underground temperatures are very stable, the Prius has a sealed tank with a vapor bladder, and all pumps use a filter system. If the filter is overwhelmed with dirt from a tanker fill-up, it's still going to be plugged hours and days after that tanker leaves.

    I really don't understand how these urban legends keep circulating. It must be related to perpetual motion.

    Tom
     
  5. Genoz World

    Genoz World ZEN-style living

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    something interesting happened to me today.

    my tank was three pips from full today, i decided to fill up because i was gonna travel quite a distance. when i reached the station, i filled up, i drove about 130 miles, so i figured to use about 2-3 gallons. my prius took about 1.7 gallons (my average was 46mpg). i topped off once, then that was it.

    when i drove off, strangely enough, the THREE PIPS were NEVER replaced. i shut off the car, then restarted it and drove, thinking that it would come back. it never did. after driving about 130 miles, one bar went DOWN from the original position.

    is there a flaw in my gauge? did the first three pips burn out?

    your comments and suggestions please. :confused:
     
  6. morpheusx

    morpheusx Professor Chaos

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    I think there is a part in the owners manual that says that 3 gallons need to be added for the gas gauge to move.
     
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    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    Correct. That is why you have to add at least three gallons after running out; otherwise the computers won't allow the car to start again.
     
  8. Genoz World

    Genoz World ZEN-style living

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    OH WOW! is that true?

    good grief.....OK. thanks again......i was worried for nothing. you guys are really very well versed indeed. :flame:
     
  9. morpheusx

    morpheusx Professor Chaos

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    That isn't true because I ran out of gas once and the car restarted after I poured no more then a gallon from a can on the side of the road. Although the red triangle light stayed on until I filled up at the gas station 3 or 4 miles up the road.
     
  10. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    What the other posters intended was that you need to add at least three gallons for the Prius to notice the fuel. That's why your red triangle stayed on until you filled up.

    Tom
     
  11. tmanson

    tmanson Geetar-playin' Traveler

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    "Red Triangle"??? Hmmm... Never seen it! I guess I have been a good boy! :)
     
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    Another fuel tip..

    Don't buy fuel during rush hour.. It's a pain in the butt when you leave the station to get back on the road due to the traffic. ;)
     
  13. patsparks

    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    That is called an idiot light, I wonder why?

    I fill up when the price is at the lowest in the cycle. Price varies by 10 to 12 cents a litre each week, The price slowly falls from Thursday to Wednesday when it jumps back up again.
     
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    I knew there was a similiar tip earlier on PC so did a search:
    http://priuschat.com/forums/fuel-economy/37345-4-hints-save-money.html
    pretty much the same but an extended version this time ... HMMM I'm waiting from the one from Nigeria next
     
  15. Genoz World

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    today, i filled up at the LAST two pips, and once again MORPHEUSX, you are right.

    thanks for your very accurate advice. :clap2:

    i dont know why it only took 1.7 gallons on my last fillup, but this time, on the 2nd to last pip, my car filled up with 6.75 gallons...........all the pips showed up....what a relief.

    however, i tried to look in my manual about the pips not moving unless the vehicle intakes 3+ gallons. where is that stated? good grief, i can't find it!

    cheers:flame:
     
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    I must have gotten that email for the 4th time now.
    First time about a yr ago so I've had time to think about it.
    the first it temps. As you go under ground and down the 5 or 6 ft that the tanks are put the ground stableizes the temp. Not likely for there to be much variation. The vapor recovery, what is recovering this vapor? the hood over the pumps. There is nothing in the nozzle and nothing going thru the hose. How does it get back to the tanks? The only one that might merit truth is the filling while the truck is emptying. But if you figure how often that tank is filled and how long it would take for things to settle out i probably wouldn't help much to worry about it. Thats what gas filters are for.