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  1. bwilson4web

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    Source: Biden administration to award $7bn in grants to create US ‘hydrogen hubs’ | US news | The Guardian

    The US Department of Energy has selected seven projects for a $7bn program to launch the development and production of hydrogen fuel, the White House announced on Friday.

    The Biden administration says the program will constitute a major boost to the country’s nascent clean hydrogen industry, helping it achieve its climate goals. But many climate advocates are skeptical that it will actually help reduce emission.
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    The money will be awarded to proposed hydrogen projects on the Gulf Coast and in the mid-Atlantic, Appalachia, midwest, upper midwest, Pacific north-west and California. Dozens of regions competed for funds from the $7bn pot, set aside in the 2021 bipartisan infrastructure law. On Friday, Joe Biden will travel to Philadelphia to promote the mid-Atlantic hub.
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    The rest of the story fairly presents the issues. If this is what it takes to kill it ... so be it.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    "Though researchers agree that truly clean hydrogen, produced without fossil fuels, can fulfill certain crucial roles in hard-to-decarbonize sectors, including in the production of synthetic fertilizers and steel,"

    That needs to be supported, but it doesn't sound like this does that.
     
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    Some better details about the 7 hubs
    U.S. Unveils Seven Regional Hydrogen Hubs, Awards $7B to Kickstart National Hydrogen Network

    The timeframe is 8-12 years which is a much better timeline for this project than the failed California and east coast hydrogen highways. Goals of dropping the price of clean hydrogen (renewable based, or blue - carbon captured by products) is admirable but I doubt they can drop them nearly as much as promised.

    I think 3 hubs instead of 7 would have done the job but there is so much politics they needed to put one in those other regions.
     
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    "... in just 10 years ..."
    didn't the experts say that before?
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    The lobbyists said that before about the probable trillion dollar infrastructure for passenger cars. This is different. 8-12 years to subsidize green and blue (carbon capture) hydrogen in large quantities. The gulf hub is going to use it to make ammonia, and e-methanol, and fuel for trucks. All are reasonable, the goals for the price drop are unrealistic, but a lot of hydrogen and methane are used for those things today, and parts of the infrastructure are there. The $1Kg in 2030 is a little crazy but wind can be over built and maybe you get to $2.50/kg. Not sure if it will work but it is a lot less money than previous initiatives, and a more realistic time frame.

    Put a 160 kwh of batteries (the size of 2 tesla long range packs for the Y and 3) and e-methanol in a truck and it may pollute so much less than current diesel. Need to make those engines flex fuel though to do coast to coast, but if batteries get down to $100/kwh it may be cheaper than current diesel truck engines.
     
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    Just in time for Tesla and other EV semitrailer trucks to deliver the parts.

    Bob Wilson
     
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