1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

EV mod connector pin/grounding problems

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by BrianS, Feb 19, 2006.

  1. BrianS

    BrianS New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2006
    3
    0
    0
    I've been lurking here and looking for tips for a week or so. I'm trying to do the EV mod for my Prius and had trouble when I tried to insert the connector pin into the ECU. I jammed it in pretty hard and it still has maybe one-fifth of an inch of the connector pin sticking out of the plastic socket. I tried to see if the EV mode would work anyway, but it didn't. Any advice on how far I need to get the connector pin in? Also, it seems like the connector pin could be oriented in either of two directions in the slot - does it matter which direction?

    Third, I was very hesitant to strip and splice the grounding wire on the ECU. Evan's directions say you can ground to screw on the ECU, but that's hard to reach. There's a metal plate right below the air vent, above the ECU, and I assume I can ground off of that. Am I wrong?

    Thanks very much for the advice!!

    -Brian

    By the way, I live in the SF Bay Area - I'd love to know if there's anyone nearby I could go to for advice.
     
  2. Frank Hudon

    Frank Hudon Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jan 11, 2004
    4,147
    19
    0
    make sure that you pry up the white retainer strip on the side of the plug. If you don't you won't get the pin in far enough.
     
  3. BrianS

    BrianS New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2006
    3
    0
    0
    I did pry it up (tweezers worked a lot better than the paper clip), but it didn't go very far, not even a tenth of an inch. Hopefully that was enough, it didn't seem like it wanted to go any farther.
     
  4. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    i used one of those jeweler screwdrivers. got the smallest one and caught the edge to push it in. but Frank is probably right. if the the plug is not separated far enough, the pin will not go in no matter how hard you push on it. i had the same issue and just went back and separated the plug just a bit more and the pin went right in.
     
  5. Darwin23

    Darwin23 New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2006
    61
    0
    0
    Location:
    Panorama City, CA

    I actually used the jeweler screwdriver and pushed it down the slot to make the slot a little wider. after i did that, i was able to put the wire down pretty easy and EV was installed.
     
  6. Popeye

    Popeye New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 14, 2005
    20
    0
    0
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    OK, I didn't find this task nearly as difficult as many of the stories on this and related threads, but the caveat is that I work in the control systems industry and work with these kinds of cables, pins, and connectors on a regular basis. I've since done this mod on a couple of friend's Prii, no problems on any of the three so far. I go with the OEM version, but it seems that the problem with all of the mods is getting pin 27 into it's plug.

    1. I've been using DB9/DB25 female computer cable pins (receptacles). These receptacles have a round cross section, and the pin in the ECU housing has a rectantangular cross section, so the fit isn't perfect. If we were trying to carry current I wouldn't got this way, but for a momentary signal they work fine (no problems so far with three installs). The female receptacles are split in half, and the split allows them to open up and fit over the ECU pins. They have the same "hooks" that hold them into the plug housing. You can get the pins at most good electronics stores or at Radio Shack. At RS the solder version is 276-1538 and the crimp version is 276-1428. Both of these come with 10 pins and the DB9 connector, but for $1.59 you can throw out the stuff you don't need.

    2. When you get the pins GET A PIN INSERTION TOOL. Don't try and use the tiny screwdriver approach. At RS the tool is 276-1426 and goes for $3.79. You can find them for as low as $1.79 elsewhere (Google "DB9 pin insertion tool"). You can also get a pin insertion tool for the rectangular pins you remove from under the steering wheel, but they're harder to come by.
    [attachmentid=2303]

    3. When you attach your wire to your pin (receptacle) use 24ga wire and use the tool to check the size of your connection. The tool consists of a very thin, very stiff tube cut in half. Try and lay the wire and the soldered/crimped part of the pin in the channel on the tool. If it won't fit in the channel it won't fit in the plug housing. Trim it down/clean it up until it fits in the tool channel. Take a look at the male pin in the ECU and note it's orientation. When you put the receptacle in the housing try and align the split so it matches up with the flat sides of the pin. Once you have the receptacle lined up in the tool, slide the pin, wire, and tool into the plug housing. The tool goes into the housing along with the wire and pin. Push until you feel the hooks engage. Pull the tool out, then try and pull the wire out. No tweezers on the latch, no making do. Like I said, I've had no problems using this method, the pins have seated perfectly. Definitely worth $4.

    4. Make your ground connection. I use a tap on the pin one wire (similar to the tap you would use on the outlet power mod, available at any auto parts store). Using the tap means you don't have to cut/splice the wire. Plug the whole assembly back into the ECU. I usually fire up the car at this point and short the two wires together momentarily to test the connections. If all is well you can run the wire to your switch and close up the dash.

    Hope that helps.
     
  7. BrianS

    BrianS New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2006
    3
    0
    0
    Thanks everybody, I eventually got it to work yesterday. The problem apparently was some solder smudges on the outside of the connector pin. After much swearing I pulled the pin out, ran the wire through a different pin, didn't solder it, and got the second pin in without too much difficulty (I'll be in for a lot of fun though if I ever want to remove that pin). Making the pin nearly flush works fine, but a 1/4" out is too much.

    Also, grounding the wire off the nearby piece of metal frame (the one that gouges open your hand when pulling the ECU) works.

    I still have to run the wire through the dashboard. I didn't have much luck removing the driver side vent cover - I hope I can run the wire without doing that.
     
  8. DaveinOlyWA

    DaveinOlyWA 3rd Time was Solariffic!!

    Joined:
    Apr 13, 2004
    15,140
    611
    0
    Location:
    South Puget Sound, WA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Nissan LEAF
    Model:
    Persona
    the driver side vent cover is a real pita... nothing to grab on to... but all you do is push down on the top and pop it off. that piece alone took nearly 50% of my assemble AND disassemble time when i did my CANVIEW