1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Disappointing fuel consumption

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by aikidojoe, Mar 13, 2005.

  1. aikidojoe

    aikidojoe New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2005
    4
    0
    0
    Location:
    Montreal, Quebec, Canada
    I've just purchased a 2005 Prius (and received it - you gotta love Canada!). I notice, however, that I've had it for 3-4 weeks now and I've had to fill it up once already and I'm halfway through my next tank (or so the meter reads). I'm averaging about 340 km per tank. This is no better than my wife's SUV!! My dealer has told me that it could take up to 5,000 km to get the advertised 700 or so km. Has anyone else had this experience??? I've read that the Prius could have some problems with the fuel gauge (and thought that could be the case inthat my first fill up - when the guage told me the car was empty (only 2 bars left) only cost me $27 CDN. While I was happy about that - something does not seem to make sense....and no, I don't drive like a drag racer.
     
  2. jayman

    jayman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    13,439
    641
    0
    Location:
    Winnipeg Manitoba
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Where are you in Canada? For one thing, yes the brand new Prius does need a bit of break-in before things improve.

    Do you mostly drive very short trips in cold temps? Search for fuel economy and read some of my entertaining posts. At -40, my MFD will average me at 8-10 litres per 100km. At +8 C, around 4.8 litres per 100km.

    So hang in there. Even at it's worst, my Prius still got 7 times the fuel economy my 2000 GMC Sierra did under similar conditions.
     
  3. Old n Bold

    Old n Bold New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 10, 2005
    79
    0
    0
    Location:
    Bellingham, WA
    Surprised. Just off the lot, my first tank averaged 50 mpg (too lazy to convert to liters, sorry) and the second tank is now looking like about 48 mpg. My Explorer (which I loved and hated to get rid of) would go around 16 on its best day.

    I expect things to get a bit better as it gets broken in.
     
  4. efusco

    efusco Moderator Emeritus
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2003
    19,891
    1,193
    9
    Location:
    Nixa, MO
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Drive until one bar, or even when that one bar flashes, no need to do so before then as there is still plenty of reserve at that point.

    Things will improve...particularly with warmer weather.

    Read my article in the Knowledge Base under FAQs for lots of good info on MPG.
     
  5. tomforst

    tomforst New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2005
    32
    0
    0
    I've had my Driftwood Pearl Prius for about 1.5 weeks now...the first tank (delivered with full tank from the dealer) averaged about 42 mpg (360 miles with 8.6 gal). I'm just about done with my second tank and the computer average is 48 mpg. But I have a light foot (although I do go 64 mph on the interstate...not in too much of a hurry to get to work...). The weather here for the period has been between 10 to 30 F, and my driving is 30 mile trips on a mixture of interstate, city, and highway driving. I'm really happy. It took 16 gal to fill up my Bonneville for about the same distance (and I thought that was good), and this only takes little more than 8. I've cut my gas bill in half.......
     
  6. MiamiMurphy

    MiamiMurphy New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2005
    21
    0
    0
    Location:
    Miami
    Hi all -
    I have had my Prius one week. My consumption of gas per the screen was 42.8 - it looked like I had 1/2 tank of gas left but I filled it up anyway. Paid $8.06 cents - gas was 2.10 regular so obviously I did not need to add gas for the weekly commute.

    I think the mileage will improve but I do mainly bumper to bumper traffic to and from work - the Prius has not been on a freeway yet. Also this week was traffic from hell - on Friday it took me 40 minutes to get from one side of the Brickell drawbridge to my office - a mere matter of blocks. BTW - any suggestions as to what one should do when sitting in traffic for 30-40 minutes - I mean about the Prius battery, etc.

    Right now the temperatures in Miami are fairly cool - 55-60 at night and 75 in the day so heat is not a factor yet.

    Have re-set so I can see if my mileage improves.

    But I am very happy overall and you all were right - I love my Prius.

    ML
     
  7. aikidojoe

    aikidojoe New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2005
    4
    0
    0
    Location:
    Montreal, Quebec, Canada
    I live in Montreal and the weather here has been anywhere from -20 celcius to 0 c in the last 3 weeks. I'm kind of hoping things get better as it breaks in because I'll not be pleased if it ends up with the same consumtion as my wife's Acura MDX (SUV). 340 km is pretty mediocre for what I thought was supposed to be closer to 700+ km. I'll try driving it until I get 1 bar and then some to see what happens. Maybe the fuel gauge is way off?
     
  8. hdrygas

    hdrygas New Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2004
    3,650
    6
    0
    Location:
    Olympia Wa
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    OK Canada I will make a wild guess that it is cold... unless you are in the Pacific Northwest then maybe you are in trouble. You have winter gas and that has less energy per litter add that to the engine keeping its self warm and you warm if you turned the thermostat up and you have all the reason you need. Also as pointed out you have a new car in need of a bit of braking in. Next winter will be better, much better.
     
  9. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,498
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    Evan Fusco has written a very informative document discussing fuel economy and the factors that affect Prius fuel performance.

    You can read it here:
    http://priuschat.com/forums/kb.php?mode=article&k=23

    Some quick answers:
    1) There IS a break-in period for the car after which you will see better mileage.
    2) There IS a break-in period for the driver after which time you will be better able to coax higher mileage from the car.
    3) Colder weather affects the performance of all cars, not just the Prius.
    4) Colder weather affects battery performance forcing the Prius to rely more on the Internal Combustion Engine which in turn reduces mileage.
    4) Check your tire pressure.
    5) All things in time.

    Your concerns are valid. But if it helps, you should take solice in the knowledge that we've all been there and some of us are still working throught it. Those who are posting really good numbers have broken in their cars and trained themselves. On the other hand, the critics who report really bad mileage are often driving brand new cars poorly.
     
  10. altaskier

    altaskier New Member

    Joined:
    May 15, 2004
    157
    1
    0
    Location:
    Long Island, New York
    Of course, the Acura MDX has a 20 US gallon/ 76 liter fuel tank, while the prius has a 10 US gallon/38 liter fuel tank and in fact when I refill at 1 bar on the gauge I never get in more than 8 gallons/30 liters. So, if you're running both vehicles down to empty, does this not mean that the Prius is using about half the number of liters per km as the Acura MDX?
     
  11. kkister1492

    kkister1492 New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2004
    355
    1
    0
    Location:
    Fremont, CA
    I have had my Prius since the end of Sept. 2004 and have just gotten to 4800 miles on the odo. As you can deduce, I have a very short commute. I had not been able to get more than about 40mpg without serious side trips. Suddenly my count began to climb just after passing 4600 miles. The weather here has warmed a bit so that might also help but I am encouraged. Got high 41's without changing anything. Looking forward to my first oil change. Should happen in a week or two.
     
  12. chasabel

    chasabel Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 20, 2004
    39
    1
    0
    Location:
    Shady Grove, PA
    Boy, This tread makes me start to feel better about how much I might expect out of our Prii.
    It was a nice day take the car out for a drive. The road was dry and free from any salt.
    The odo was showing 626 when we left to go to my son's house (26 miles) and the mfd was showing 50.2. When we got home after dropping by daughters house, it was up to 50.8.
    The temperature was in the low 40's (f) and the climate control was set on 70 auto.
    Charlie
     
  13. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    45,024
    16,244
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    aikidoejoe

    I'm on the west coast I just fuelled up last night having done 701.2kms on that last tank. I'm standing at 7,000kms (got it in Oct) and the MFD read 4.5L/100kms. So give it some time. I had some pretty "disappointing" mileage (if you can say that) during this winter with avgs around 5-5.5L/100km. Also, you can keep going til 1 bar (even if it doesn't flash). Note though that the bladder holds less at -20 than it does at +20.

    And yes, the cost per fill-up is low. $27 sounds right. Last night, I spent $30 at 89.4¢/litre.
     
  14. jeepien

    jeepien Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2005
    165
    4
    0
    Location:
    New Jersey
    I hate to point out the obvious, but your wife's SUV probably has a gas tank at least twice as large as the Prius'. Comparing the two based on range alone is... well, sorta goofy.
     
  15. V8Cobrakid

    V8Cobrakid Green Handyman

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2004
    3,790
    152
    0
    Location:
    Park View, Los Angeles, CA. U.S.A
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    ok.. When driving in traffic.. don't over accelerate. cruise to a stop when you see traffic stopping. this will get you really really high mpg when in traffic.

    The car takes car of itself. just drive. this car works best when cruising in stop and go traffic. there is a "no arrows" trick when you barely touch the gas pedal. all arrrows will go away. this doesn't waist momentum on the artificial drag and doesn't waist good fuel or electricity. Consider it free long... scratch that... free short distanc. hehe.

    On the consumption screen, you can track your MPG over the last 30 mins. I wouldn't reset your miles driven or your average on this screen. It's a good way to keep track of how much fuel is in the tank. It's pretty acurate.

    The lowest i've ever seen the prius get when it comes to mpg is 25.. did it for about 10 to 15 mins.. this gets really old too.. accelerating as fast as you can.. waist as much fuel as you can. 25.... that's better than most cars. If you drive good... and after the car breaks in, you can achieve 60+ mpg.. some have achieved as high as 87... 87.. with over 10 gallons of fuel.. you do the math. :)
     
  16. Robert Taylor

    Robert Taylor New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 13, 2004
    451
    0
    0
    Location:
    Rocket City
    Well said...

    The computer screens on consumption are learning tools, the "no arrows" condition lets you coast as far as possible...you have to learn to do so, get up to speed quick, coast as far as possible. Hitting the brakes is to be avoided.

    My truck with seven miles on it when I bought it now has 110,000. Still has the orginal brakes. I coast.
     
  17. Sufferin' Prius Envy

    Sufferin' Prius Envy Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 2004
    3,998
    18
    0
    Location:
    USA
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Shouldn’t you metric folks be talking kilometerage?

    Whatever you do, don’t go work for NASA on planetary probes. You too could crash billion dollar ($US) spacecraft! :lol:
     
  18. jayman

    jayman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    13,439
    641
    0
    Location:
    Winnipeg Manitoba
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Patrick:

    The accepted Metric fuel economy rating is "litres per 100km."

    This is actually quite useful as it tends to emphasize "less is better" not "more is better" with MPG.

    The conversion factor from litres/100km to MPG (Imperial Gallon) is 282.48.

    Eg: 3 litres per 100km = 94 MPG
    4 litres per 100km = 70 MPG
    5 litres per 100km = 56 MPG
    6 litres per 100km = 47 MPG etc

    Litres per 100km is far more intuitive since it keeps drilling in "less is better." When I come to a stop and it's warm enough for the ICE to shut down, the MFD claims I'm using 0 litres per 100km. That makes sense, right? The ICE is off so no fuel is being used.

    It seems a bit weird when you come to a stop with an American market Prius and the MFD will claim 99 MPG.
     
  19. jayman

    jayman Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 21, 2004
    13,439
    641
    0
    Location:
    Winnipeg Manitoba
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Try Winnipeg where it was routinely -40 in Jan and most of Feb. My worst fuel economy, according to the MFD, was around 10 litres per 100km or 28.8 MPG. That was after the 2 huge blizzards with the snow routing in effect and traffic inching along. My 15 minute commute took 45-50 minutes.

    I usually get around 8 liters per 100km (35 MPG) at -30 to -40 if I don't have to inch along but can maintain 50-60 km/h. Running Max Heat and the rear defrost kills the fuel economy too.

    When it warmed up to +8 C, my MFD claimed 4.8 litres per 100km or 59 MPG.

    I seriously doubt your fuel economy is as bad as an Acura MDX. When you check your fuel economy, what does the MFD claim? Even though the MFD should reset after each fillup, I still like to poke the Reset touch box when I get back into the car.
     
  20. priusham

    priusham New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2004
    525
    1
    0
    Location:
    Michigan - land of everlasting snowflake icon!