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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Dec 3, 2015.

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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    1 Prius Liftback 8287 9611 9952 10450
    2 Ram Pickup Diesel 3848 4283 3836 4093
    3 Model S 3100 2100 2400 1600
    4 Prius c 2601 3373 3367 3844
    5 Volt 1980 2035 949 1380
    6 Camry Hybrid 1964 2545 2629 3314
    7 Prius v (lowercase v) 1643 2128 2575 3119
    8 Fusion Hybrid 1388 2050 2002 2441
    9 Leaf 1054 1238 1247 1393
    10 CT200h 984 1077 1131 1504
    11 RX 400 / 450 h 958 514 443 599
    12 Fusion Energi 944 849 808 949
    13 Sonata 931 1342 1185 1647
    14 Optima Hybrid 844 1262 1136 1167
    15 ES Hybrid 833 895 907 1281
    16 C-Max Hybrid 815 912 1247 1501
    17 Avalon Hybrid 798 993 1064 1322
    18 i3* 723 986 1710 792
    19 MKZ 676 646 596 713
    20 C-Max Energi 639 695 719 723
    21 X5 Diesel 525 296 204 391
    22 e-Golf 472 596 343 381
    23 Grand Cherokee Diesel 341 321 315 343
    24 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 319 211 370 455
    25 Highlander Hybrid 318 375 367 377
    26 Accord Hybrid 289 442 854 1369
    27 Range Rover 283
    28 Ramge Rover Sport 270
    29 GL-Class Diesel 258 245 214 236
    30 Civic Hybrid 239 455 613 590
    31 CR-Z 236 316 310 333
    32 Cruze Diesel 218 202 222 279
    33 NX Hybrid 196 188 170 206
    34 Lacrosse Hybrid 194 199 200 275
    35 Q50 Hybrid 189 381 356 384
    36 3-Series Diesel 188 225 241 319
    37 GLE-Class Diesel 185 179 132
    38 forTwo EV 178 75 94 106
    39 Cayenne Diesel 176 356 276 288
    40 500E 174 231 347 370
    41 Spark 166 177 157 135
    42 QX60 Hybrid 149 220 231 240
    43 Cayenne S E-Hybrid 121 126 70 83
    44 i8 118 149 182 210
    45 X3 Diesel 103 105 124 147
    46 Pathfinder Hybrid 102 168 186 212
    47 E-Class Diesel 100 104 87 128
    48 Focus EV 93 126 145 176
    49 5-Series Diesel 85 72 239 198
    50 Soul EV 83 109 105 93
    51 ELR 67 82 36 45
    52 Jetta Hybrid 52 64 77 98
    53 Prius Plug In 44 91 216 344
    54 B-Class Electric 41 81 147 172
    55 GLK Class Diesel 33 46 108 133
    56 Panamera S E-Hybrid 33 28 41 36
    57 Insight 30 53 64 85
    58 Promaster Van Diesel 28 21 25 32
    59 Touareg Diesel 25 418 373 411
    60 Mirai 23
    61 S550 Plug In 21 25 17 10
    62 Civic 16 19 19 24
    63 Model X 15 10
    64 Q70 Hybrid 14 14 12 13
    65 RLX Hybrid 13 14 26 34
    66 Regal Hybrid 9 11 13 16
    67 Q5 Hybrid 7 5 3 5
    68 ML Class Diesel 7 10 2 3
    69 XC90 Plug In 7 1 0 3
    70 GS 450h 5 7 7 4
    71 i 4 9 3 6
    72 ActiveHybrid 3 (335ih) 2 3 0 2
    73 ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih) 2 1 2 0
    74 Impala Hybrid 1 11 5 27
    75 Touareg Hybrid 1 0 0 0
    76 7-Series Diesel 1 2
    77 Passat Diesel 0 0 779 1991
    78 Golf Sportwagon Diesel 0 0 834 1977
    79 Jetta Diesel 0 0 674 1820
    80 Golf Diesel 0 0 308 954
    81 Q5 Diesel 0 455 406 421
    82 Q7 Diesel 0 497 326 412
    83 Beetle Diesel 0 0 46 122
    84 A6 Diesel 0 91 86 108
    85 A3 Diesel 0 0 30 90
    86 A7 Diesel 0 53 44 60
    87 A8 Diesel 0 9 23 34
    88 LS 600h 0 1 3 3
    89 Yukon Hybrid 0 0 0 3
    90 Accord Plug In 0 0 0 2
    91 E400H 0 1 0 2
    92 7-Series ActiveHybrid 0 0 0 1
    93 ILX Hybrid 0 0 2 0
    94 Malibu Hybrid 0 1 1 0
    95 RAV4 EV 0 1 0 0
    96 Fit EV 0 1
    Source: Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Market Dashboard - HybridCars.comHybridCars.com (well worth reading!)

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    • Tesla excellent!
    • RX400/450 good.
    • Volt holding its own while 2015 inventory is cleared
    Everyone else following a consistent weak market.

    Bob Wilson

    ps. Added two Range Rovers to list.
    pps. Added Mirai.
     
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    A few things I would add is

    Ram diesel pick up now is the best selling diesel, with VW cheating exposed, diesels are down big time compared to last year.

    LRXh + HyHi is down about as much as hybrids in general for the year, but LNXh arrived in time for toyota/lexus to grow hybrid SUVs. The Rav4 hybrid should help.

    The prius is doing well for being so long in the tooth. Hopefully the hybrid bleeding stops once the gen IV arrives in volume next year. I'm not sure its good enough. It sounds like they did a good job on the handling, but the styling is meh, and improvement in fuel economy is less than I expected. I'm sure the prius will outsell its 2015 numbers, but with projected low gas prices the hybrid segment may be down again in 2016.
     
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    what up with fusion energi? looking good.
     
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    Good for the month, but still down for the year. It is suffering with hybrids because of low gas prices. With the prius phv just about all sold out until a next gen comes out in a year or more, it likely got some buyers that might have gone Toyota.

    The audi a3 phev and sonata phev add new competition next year. I would not look to the c-max energi or fusion energi for plug-in growth.

    Still the volt, model X, outlander PHEV, should lift plug-in sales next year.
     
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    is the outlander definite? i heard otherwise.
     
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    thanks!
     
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    I noticed a 62-71% drop in November over the average of the previous three months in the 'down scale' cars that bothers me:
    • Optima Hybrid - 844
    • Avalon Hybrid - 798
    • Sonata - 931
    • C-Max Hybrid - 815
    • i3* - 723
    CARB may be killing a whole segment with their utter commitment to fool-cells. When public policy gives no credits to these working, practical, vehicles, they are leaving customers no choice but to buy a gas-only car. Perfect is killing 'good enough.'

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Therein lies the irony of high gas prices.
    Mitsu is doing poorly sales wise - I know. But still, their sporty gasser is extreamly popular with the younger crowd in So Cal;
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    But then after 2 nice offerings - every other model they sell looks like something out of the late 1980's.
    Feast or famine.
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    This is the affect I have been concerned about.
    If three hybrids replacing gas guzzlers would clean the air more than one FCV replacing a gas guzzler, carb should award at least one third the points.
    However, to award points based on that basis would require carb to track what vehicles are being traded in.

    There is also the fact CARB wants to promote new technologies.

    So they need to figure out how much of their goal is to promote new technologies and how much of their job is to clean the air.
    Right now they seem to be hell bent on promoting new tech even if it doesn't clean the air as much as other options.
     
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    With the diesel scandal open wide - do those offerings still need to be part of the equation? Realistically this skews efficient vehicle sales data by the thousands ..... at least until they figure out what these tainted vehicles can really do.
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    One of the things we'd noticed before the 'crisis' was even the diesel EPA numbers looked like a gasser, not a Prius. The "clean' should have been 'passed' since the Prius was in some cases, cleaning the ambient air. I remember the cheat diesels still measured worse than the Prius.

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    I don't see how CARB fuel cell regs are hurting sales of hybrids and plug-ins. I would agree CARB and Feds have given the "brass ring" to plug-ins and favored plug-ins over hybrids. California's policies to make gasoline expensive indirectly favors hybrids.
     
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    If CARB gave more credits to hybrids, and plugins manufacturers would have more incentive to talk them up and advance the technology.
    Instead, they give a huge amount of credits to fuel cells. These fuel cells can only be produced in very low numbers, and the infrastructure takes an incredible amount of money.

    Giving hybrids and plugins more credits would have a larger effect on cleaning the air because 1000's of hybrids and plugins could be sold, where only scores of FCVs will be.

    For this reason, it only seems reasonable to conclude CARBs only goal is either the newest technology regardless of its lack of benefits, or to push hydrogen.
     
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    part of the conclusion of the movie/documentary "Who killed the electric car" was that the oil industry has a large influence on carb policies & objectives. Since hydrogen is, and primarily will be manufactured buy natural gas Reformation, all one has to do is follow the money ( even the threat of it reduction). For the oil industry, there is no money in sitting on their hands watching the transportation industry switch over to electrification. It means their profits dump. Supply and demand. If the oilindustry can use lots of natural gas to make hydrogen (as well as all the other uses) then the oil industry has a rational motive for keeping their fingers in the pot. Remember - an ever growing percentage of plug-in drivers are charging in part from their own solar arrays.
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    Japan November 2015 Sales

    1 Aqua Toyota - 15,237
    2 Sienta Toyota - 10,211
    3 Voxy Toyota - 8,856
    4 Corolla Toyota - 8,449
    5 Fit Honda - 7,325
    6 Note Nissan - 6,458
    7 Vitz Toyota - 6,043
    8 Prius Toyota - 6,021
     
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    The USA has about a six to eight week shipping delay. So I learned Friday that the factory just built, December 3, a 2016 Two that is allocated a nearby dealer. It is expected the middle of January.
    • Is Japan already selling the 2016?
    • Do Japanese sales typically include a dealer with 'inventory' of 2015 models?
    • Can a Japanese customer order any combination of options and have exactly the Prius they want?
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    By the way, good month for Volt1+Volt2, but a few months ago I was originally predicting a poor showing. My earlier prediction was because the California Green HOV stickers were running out. Perhaps predictably, Ca. keeps extending the PHEV green HOV stickers. Just saying, when/if we lose that green HOV sticker, my prediction holds.
     
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    That dove-tails with what we're seeing in the lower volume, hybrids, regardless of manufacturer. One should caution about a single month but November saw a consistent hit in all pure hybrids.

    CARB appears willing to let 'perfect fool-cells kill good enough hybrids.' Then there are the income limits on Tesla tax credits, which only serves to hurt Tesla sales and won't sell another FCV. Shades of the 1998-98 changes that led to crushing the EV1s.

    Hey, where are the FCV sales for November??

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