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  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Column 1
    0 [tr][th]model[th]Apr_13[th]Mar_13[th]Feb_13[th]Jan_13
    1 [tr][td2]Toyota Prius Liftback[td2]12432[td2]13868[td2]11428[td2]9685
    2 [tr][td2] - [td2] - [td2] - [td2] - [td2] -
    3 [tr][td2]Fusion Hybrid[td2]3625[td2]3417[td2]3806[td2]3043
    4 [tr][td2]Toyota Prius C[td2]3486[td2]4026[td2]3148[td2]2691
    5 [tr][td2]Toyota Prius V[td2]3372[td2]3460[td2]2543[td2]2522
    6 [tr][td2]Toyota Camry Hybrid[td2]3257[td2]4461[td2]4147[td2]3826
    7 [tr][td2]Ford C-Max Hybrid[td2]3197[td2]3275[td2]2849[td2]2387
    8 [tr][td2]Jetta Diesel[td2]3158[td2]3653[td2]3261[td2]2690
    9 [tr][td2]Passat Diesel[td2]2797[td2]3237[td2]2233[td2]1770
    10 [tr][td2] - [td2] - [td2] - [td2] - [td2] -
    11 [tr][td2]Tesla Model S*[td2]2100[td2]1950[td2]1400[td2]1000
    12 [tr][td2]Nissan Leaf[td2]1937[td2]2236[td2]653[td2]650
    13 [tr][td2]Malibu Hybrid[td2]1551[td2]1359[td2]1254[td2]981
    14 [tr][td2]Sonata[td2]1447[td2]1623[td2]1441[td2]1192
    15 [tr][td2]Avalon Hybrid[td2]1423[td2]1616[td2]1361[td2]1040
    16 [tr][td2]Chevrolet Volt[td2]1306[td2]1478[td2]1626[td2]1140
    17 [tr][td2]ES Hybrid[td2]1237[td2]1561[td2]1154[td2]1324
    18 [tr][td2]Lexus CT200h[td2]1171[td2]1062[td2]1182[td2]1001
    19 [tr][td2]Kia Optima Hybrid[td2]1000[td2]1001[td2]1215[td2]909
    20 [tr][td2] - [td2] - [td2] - [td2] - [td2] -
    21 [tr][td2]MKZ[td2]884[td2]446[td2]177[td2]100
    22 [tr][td2]RX 400 / 450 h[td2]688[td2]925[td2]756[td2]744
    23 [tr][td2]Lacrosse Hybrid[td2]662[td2]717[td2]706[td2]576
    24 [tr][td2]Prius Plug In[td2]599[td2]786[td2]693[td2]874
    25 [tr][td2]Honda Civic Hybrid[td2]569[td2]572[td2]433[td2]429
    26 [tr][td2]Golf Diesel[td2]527[td2]754[td2]885[td2]552
    27 [tr][td2]Cayenne Diesel[td2]514[td2]451[td2]314[td2]396
    28 [tr][td2]ML Class Diesel[td2]501[td2]478[td2]317[td2]279
    29 [tr][td2]Highlander Hybrid[td2]495[td2]477[td2]441[td2]452
    30 [tr][td2]GL-Class Diesel[td2]465[td2]1011[td2]773[td2]578
    31 [tr][td2]BMW X5 Diesel[td2]412[td2]462[td2]428[td2]382
    32 [tr][td2]Ford C-Max Energi[td2]411[td2]494[td2]334[td2]338
    33 [tr][td2]Honda CR-Z[td2]405[td2]451[td2]381[td2]358
    34 [tr][td2]Honda Insight[td2]391[td2]454[td2]388[td2]319
    35 [tr][td2]Regal Hybrid[td2]389[td2]387[td2]375[td2]184
    36 [tr][td2]Fusion Energi[td2]364[td2]295[td2]119[td2]0
    37 [tr][td2]Volkswagen Jetta Hybrid[td2]353[td2]451[td2]272[td2]232
    38 [tr][td2]Q7 Diesel[td2]346[td2]279[td2]314[td2]192
    39 [tr][td2]Touareg Diesel[td2]286[td2]375[td2]392[td2]300
    40 [tr][td2]Honda Civic CNG[td2]264[td2]167[td2]139[td2]126
    41 [tr][td2]Beetle Diesel[td2]237[td2]284[td2]189[td2]174
    42 [tr][td2]ILX Hybrid[td2]152[td2]145[td2]154[td2]84
    43 [tr][td2]Ford Focus EV[td2]147[td2]180[td2]158[td2]0
    44 [tr][td2]i[td2]127[td2]31[td2]337[td2]257
    45 [tr][td2]ActiveHybrid 3 (335ih)[td2]125[td2]78[td2]88[td2]56
    46 [tr][td2]ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih)[td2]98[td2]51[td2]43[td2]18
    47 [tr][td2]Audi Q5 Hybrid[td2]86[td2]84[td2]76[td2]90
    48 [tr][td2]E-Class Diesel[td2]80[td2]105[td2]122[td2]156
    49 [tr][td2]Toyota RAV4 EV[td2]70[td2]133[td2]52[td2]25
    50 [tr][td2]Accord Plug In[td2]55[td2]26[td2]17[td2]0
    51 [tr][td2]Cadillac Escalade Hybrid[td2]47[td2]35[td2]30[td2]44
    52 [tr][td2]Cayenne Hybrid[td2]46[td2]46[td2]32[td2]60
    53 [tr][td2]GMC Yukon Hybrid[td2]37[td2]26[td2]23[td2]23
    54 [tr][td2]M Hybrid[td2]35[td2]58[td2]46[td2]37
    55 [tr][td2]Lexus GS 450h[td2]34[td2]56[td2]38[td2]34
    56 [tr][td2]Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid[td2]32[td2]48[td2]38[td2]30
    57 [tr][td2]S-Class Diesel[td2]31[td2]45[td2]35[td2]38
    58 [tr][td2]Fit EV[td2]22[td2]23[td2]15[td2]8
    59 [tr][td2]E400H[td2]17[td2]25[td2]22[td2]22
    60 [tr][td2]LS 600h[td2]15[td2]12[td2]22[td2]14
    61 [tr][td2]GMC Sierra Hybrid[td2]14[td2]6[td2]7[td2]9
    62 [tr][td2]Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid[td2]13[td2]12[td2]14[td2]10
    63 [tr][td2]Volkswagen Touareg Hybrid[td2]7[td2]12[td2]43[td2]21
    64 [tr][td2]S400HV Hybrid[td2]7[td2]8[td2]9[td2]12
    65 [tr][td2]A3 Diesel[td2]5[td2]28[td2]107[td2]90
    66 [tr][td2]Porsche Panamera S Hybrid[td2]5[td2]11[td2]5[td2]46
    67 [tr][td2]7-Series ActiveHybrid[td2]0[td2]4[td2]2[td2]3
    68 [tr][td2]R-Class Diesel[td2]0[td2]1[td2]4[td2]3
    69 [tr][td2]HS 250h[td2]0[td2]1[td2]1[td2]0
    Source: Hybrid Dashboard Report

    Not so much increases in sales as much as 'who dropped less.' Kudoes to Ford Fusion, Tesla, Lexus, and MKZ who did well . . . even the Chevy Malibu had sales increase. The overall hybrid penetration increased to 3.3%, much better but 'who dropped less?'

    The Dashboard reports are coming in faster and it is getting easier to generate the table.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Whoa, what happened to Camry hybrid?? It has a bigger a trunk than FFH and beats it in real world FE. :eek:
     
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    The Fusion is new and is regarded as a better looking car (although on the road, I am less impressed and its appeal with me decreases as time passes - but it is more appealing than the Camry in this regard).
     
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  4. bwilson4web

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    Are these just 'luxury' or 'up scale' models?

    I had missed the Chevy Malibu but it too had a good month. But everyone else took a sales hit of variable degree. It is as if there was an economic contraction going on at the dealerships. When you get into the smaller sales numbers, it looks more mixed. There may be a pattern but it eludes me.

    Source: U.S. Auto Sales Continue Rise | TheDetroitBureau.com

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    Prius v dropped 2.6%
    C Max dropped 2.4%

    Hard for me to worry that Ford is stealing buyers from Toyota
     
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    This is a not an old news/press release, the 47/47/47 advertising is still working.
    DEARBORN, Mich., April 29, 2013
    "Ford now offers five electrified vehicles:
    • C-MAX Hybrid: EPA-estimated rating of 47 mpg city, highway and combined – up to 7 mpg better than Toyota Prius v – plus 50 more horsepower and 12 class-exclusive technologies
    • C-MAX Energi plug-in hybrid: Best EPA-estimated combined miles per gallon equivalency of any plug-in hybrid, Ford’s first production plug-in hybrid vehicle has an EPA-estimated city rating of 108 MPGe and 21 miles of all-electric range – more than triple Prius plug-in’s six miles – and an EPA-estimated gas plus electric range of 620 miles. C-MAX Energi’s “real car” performance includes 195 horsepower (versus Prius plug-in at 134 horsepower), engaging driving dynamics and a quiet interior – all with a leading electric-only speed of 85 mph, more than 20 mph above the Prius
    • Fusion Hybrid: EPA-estimated rating of 47 mpg city, highway and combined, up to 6 mpg better than the Toyota Camry Hybrid
    • Fusion Energi plug-in hybrid: EPA-estimated gas plus electric range of 620 miles, electric-only range of up to 21 miles, and EPA-estimated rating of 108 MPGe city, 92 MPGe highway and 100 MPGe combined
    • Focus Electric: One of America’s most fuel-efficient compact cars, with an EPA-estimated rating of 110 MPGe city, 99 MPGe highway and 105 MPGe combined"
    Ford Fusion, C-MAX Hybrids Attracting New Companies Searching for Savings at the Fuel Pump | Ford Motor Company Newsroom

    2013 Ford C-Max Hybrid Review
     
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    Sergiopl I am not saying they are not trying...
     
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    What's the criteria for being on the list? That the car is either a hybrid, plug-in hybrid, electric or extra efficient diesel?

    Our last car was a Civic Hybrid (abysmal sales numbers...) so I'm interested in them in particular, and for some reason the list has both "Honda Civic Hybrid" and "Honda Civic". Why the latter?
     
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    The latter would be the Honda Civic NG, natural gas. Dashboard reports hybrids, plug-ins, nat gas and clean diesel.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Sometimes patterns show up when the data is graphed:
    [​IMG]

    All I see is a general trend down after a local peak in March. Sales were increasing before, hit a local peak in March, and declined in April.

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    You can take out seasonality by looking at year to year, and changes versus all cars, when this is taken into account hybrids are still growing. April just cemented a further shift away from the prius. That is a sign of a healthy market, the prius liftback was still 29% hybrid market share. There seems a continued rotation into the mid sized sedans with 31% of the hybrid market between the 7 top models with fusion and camry hybrid leading that pack.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Well, I hope you are right. All I have is the data and one month is not a hard trend. May will be more interesting.

    BTW, I appreciate the utility of year-to-year, monthly comparison. Certainly that is industry practice but there is such a gap, it makes drawing conclusions from those points . . . I'm not so confident, yet.

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    If you look at historic data, we had a strong upward trend in hybrids through the beginning of 2008, then a decline . Two things happened, a collapsing auto market along with changes in EPA figures that revised hybrids down. Its hard to analyse how much each of these accounted for the break in hybrid growth. There is anecdotal evidence that bad toyota dealers took too much of an advantage of the situation, hiking dealer prices, and leading to more anti-hybrid feelings.

    Now we have improved choices and less of a hybrid premium, but a still negative attitude toward hybrids. The combination of these plus oil prices, which may have plateaued last year, makes a better market for hybrid cars. Improving hybrid image is still needed. The big driver will also be the 2016 and 2025 cafe standard. This should press auto companies to give more choices, and be happy with a smaller profit on hybrid cars. Oil projections are to go down a little through 2014, before heading up again, but projections are difficult to make.

    I would not take any month to month changes too seriously especially when they can easily be explained as seasonality. I would look more at year over year performance and so far hybrid + plug in sales are up 20% in the first four months compared to 2012, while light vehicle sales are up 7%. Those are pretty nice numbers on top of last years gains, and its likely the new hybrids are responsible for much of the improvement.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Certainly the 3.3% hybrid market share as part of the total market is encouraging. I do attribute this growth to Ford's pair. But I'll feel a lot better when the hybrid market reaches 5-10%.

    I'm also encouraged by some of the innovations showing up in the electric-only market. Not just Tesla, the Nissan Leaf is making a mark. Then GM is coming out with the EV1 apology, the Spark. <grins>

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    I would look at the market as hybrids and plug-ins, with the plug-ins having the juice in the next decade. When I look at the data, and policies, I see growth but not rapid growth. For there to be rapid hybrid growth, I would say costs need to drop down to around $2000 hybrid premium, and/or gas become much more expensive.

    On the EV-1 all those old execs have admitted it was a mistake, and the decision makers are no longer at the company. The volt is the son of EV1, and would have arrived much faster to the market if they had not crushed the cars and stopped working on the car. That and the ovonics patents have given GM a black eye for a long time. The spark ev is a compliance car and went with the japanese group think that people want these short range city cars. IMHO that group think on small city ev and long range fchv is dead wrong, and the longer Toyota pushes the idea, the harder it will be for them to sell plug-ins.
     
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    This sums it up.

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    The Diesel Marketing Dept.
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    The Toyota Hybrid Marketing Dept.

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    Although I would like to see the hybrid premium decrease, it isn't clear that copper or aluminum windings in a 'Tesla' clever motor can be made cheaply enough. Power electronics has matured nicely and practical ultra-caps may have advanced enough to allow another, significant reduction in traction battery size. Certainly the 'Prius c' is showing the path to a smaller, optimized solution.
    Emphasis on for a long time, as the Volt is less an EV1 but more a Precept. We'll have to agree to disagree about the proper descendant of the EV1.
    Something I heard on AutoLine Daily has me rethinking the Leaf:
    Source: AD #1125 &#8211; U.S. Car Sales Slow, EV Fever Cools in China, Penske Partners with BMW &#8211; Autoline Daily

    Two or three times per year, I have to drive to Nashville, about 120 miles away. Right now, the Tesla is the only EV that meets this operating range requirement. But product improvements are making the Leaf sound more interesting. The EPA rated range is still too small to reach Nashville but . . .

    Something else from the same article:
    This is another reason why I'm . . . concerned about the apparent decrease in hybrid sales. They don't stand along but are part of the auto market. It looks like somewhere between February and March the auto market is starting to weaken.

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    Lots of people like to make a mythology about both failed programs.

    Ev1 had a erev-phev prototype with a 75 hp ice and a 4 seat prototype. When you add changes for both prototypes together its very much like the volt. The volt even keeps the t-shape battery from the prototypes.

    The precept was nothing like the volt. From the ev1 it became even more aerodynamic. It was a rear engined diesel powered carbon fiber hyper expensive car. The hybrid drive made it somewhat into the gm 2-modes, like the escalade hybrid. There was no plug, no powering from the wall, or full performance on batteries alone like the ev1 prototypes.


    It is difficult to predict auto numbers for 2014, but 2013 looks healthier than 2012.
    That link didn't go to an article just wards main page. This is what I found
    U.S. Sales Hit Bump, But Still Gain Traction in April | Sales &amp; Marketing content from WardsAuto
    April Sales Thread: SAAR Falls Below 15 Million: WardsAuto April U.S. Auto Sales Day Blog | Counting Cars

    Which is pretty much seasonality, plus a small hiccup for toyota


    I guess you could be troubled by that, but IMHO toyota was just inflated in 2012 april with many fleet sales and the introduction of the prius c.
     
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