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Cruise control and MPG.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Prius92, Sep 22, 2019.

  1. Prius92

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    I've heard so many discrepancies and misinformation that I decided to do my own testing.
    I kept the variables to a minimum.
    2008 Prius filled from near empty with top tier fuel. Air conditioner off, windows up, fan set to max. 40 psi in the front, 38 psi in the rear (any higher is murder on Iowa roads).

    I also reset the MFD after the desire speed was reached, in case the acceleration to 60 was uphill one way and downhill the way back.

    The route of choice is 16 miles long. The elevation between the two points is 20 feet. Not terrible.
    I chose this route because there are a lot of hills. Not majorly steep hills, but still quite a few hills.
    I also chose it because the speed limit was 65, so creeping up a few mph downhill would be no problem.

    On the first leg of the trip, I tried keeping the car at 60mph as much as I could. Supposedly the effort needed to go past 60 takes much more fuel. But to climb hills, I would dial the pedal back a bit and sometimes my speed would drop down to 56.

    Downhill, I gave the car a tiny bit of pedal and let it coast. I read online the car will "coast better" with a tiny bit of pedal rather than not touching it at all. On the steeper downhills, the speed would creep up to 65-66.

    I took the measurement from the MFD after approaching the exit both ways, I did not use my brake pedal to slow the car down before each measurement, to make sure regenerative braking had any effect either.

    The first trip with my foot as the cruise control netted 56.1 mpg.

    On the way back, with the computer doing all the work (I didn't touch the throttle once after resetting the MFD) the recorded MPG was 52.1 So the difference was exactly 4.0 mpg.

    If one lives in a more mountainous area, I could see the difference being greater. If one's general commute is almost flat, then less of course.

    So why is this? Well it's simple. The Prius cruise control system is good, too good actually. On the way back, once I set it to 60, it did not deviate AT ALL. Steep uphill, steep downhill, never went to 59 or 61.

    When you use your foot as the cruise, you can pickup more speed downhill and gain more efficiency.

    To keep the speed still, the car has to do something with that "pent up" energy, so it downshifts through the CVT (I think) and your RPM rises which burns more fuel. No matter how it slows itself down, it will use more gas in doing so.

    Is 4 MPG a huge difference? Well with the 11.9 gallon tank, it's the difference of going 47.6 miles.

    If you drive an average 12,000 miles a year, it's only a difference of 16.4 gallons, with the price of gas here...$42.48.

    Is it worth not having to touch the pedal to save $43 a year? That is your call.

    However, I AM curious to know how much extra wear is put on the drive train by letting the computer keep the car at a set speed downhill ,if any.
     
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    hang on, you used your foot in one direction, and the cc in the other?
     
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    Yes, the general consensus seems to be that CC kills mpg, but I wanted to see exactly how much.
     
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    i think you need to do a round trip with each
     
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    But that isn't how a Prius works, it doesn't use any gas to slow the car down on downhills. Normally, it does a bit of electric regenerative braking, putting some electric charge into the traction battery, with no eCVT 'downshift' at all. Only when that battery is full (or nearly so) does it use any engine braking, and that also uses no gas. Nearly all modern cars have DFCO, deceleration fuel cutoff.

    The only "more gas" needed is to regain speed that was previously scrubbed.

    Of there was any breeze at all, even just a few mph, then this was invalid. Do both modes in both directions, for 2 round trips. And even this will be susceptible to any temperature or wind changes during the test.

    CC shouldn't kill mpg. It should do better than the worst drivers, but not as well as the best drivers.
     
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    Even better: "Is cruise control worth $43 a year?"
     
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    THIS. The cruise control's primary purpose is to maintain speed, mostly without regard to fuel efficiency.

    The test described here is invalid for a few reasons: The trip was too short and the route was not identical (going different directions does not count).
     
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    Wind may not even be the biggest factor rendering the results of this "test" in opposite directions invalid. Going each way, those hills are most likely of different lengths and grades depending on the direction of the approach. There's a large difference between the mpg involving steeper climbs with longer gradual downhills and longer gradual uphills with steeper descents. Because of that, the tests were not conducted on the same course.

    Round trip on the same course in the same weather conditions is the closest the average person can get to a valid test.
     
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    That is not a particularly valid question due to fuzzy math. I know of no Prius that is even capable of using the cruise control 100% of the time. Most drivers I know don't use it 100% of the time for their long distance driving. They use the cruise control when travelling on the highway but turn it off and rely on their foot when climbing hills. The key is to avoid having the car downshift to a climbing gear or its CVT equivalent that the cruise control will require it to do. That climbing gear does drastically reduce the mpg but it only happens when climbing, not descending. Cruise control is resumed after the crest of the hill is achieved. Besides, it can make it uncomfortably noisy in the cabin.

    That $43 figure is going to be a lot lower. Even at that number, though, in our case it's worth it. We use it judiciously while taking trips of 100 to 250 miles each way on the open highway four to six times a month. At least once a year we take a trip much longer than that across multiple states.
     
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    You only average 42.7 in your Prius? Yikes...and I thought it was bad I was only getting 45 with mostly in town driving.
     
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    Yes. When we bought it in early 2016 the battery was already acting up. The Prolong system has helped it a lot but it's still been living on borrowed time. The overall average has now dropped by 0.4 since the beginning of this year so I'm sure it's on its way out. I just have to decide if I'm going to put in a new battery or replace the car altogether.

    As for as the "yikes" part of your response, low 43 is the average for a 2008 at both Fuelly and fueleconomy.gov. For every 45 out there there is one who reported 41. Considering mine is a touring model (little bigger tires; a little less mpg than regular model) and it spends a lot of time between 70 and 80 mph I'm not too upset about it. It's still better than anything else that age.
     
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    True, but you are arguing my point. As you state, the actual cost is even less when you down-rate by usage. However, the very fact that it is used at all means that is worth the cost. I only use it for long trips. But when I do use it... ...boy am I glad that it is there!
     
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    Good god kid. Where the hell are your priorities? Your breaking down like a couple of miles per gallon. Who cares? You should be figuring out how to get layed.
     
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    In my experience of using cruise at all moments of driving above 25mpg (because the cruise doesn’t work below this) and adjusting speed with the cruise control itself, I have noticeably increased mpg on my vehicle. I am talking 10+ mpg more efficient by using cruise control. I live in Colorado
     
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