Consumer Reports finally starts testing Gen 5 Prius

Hmm, what driving condition did they use for the testing? 50mpg for the 22 PP is very low as you know very well.

 

The Confirmation Bias runs very strong in you my friend.

2022 Toyota Prius MPG - Actual MPG from 62 2022 Toyota Prius owners

"Based on data from 62 vehicles, 1,339 fuel-ups and 517,093 miles of driving, the 2022 Toyota Prius gets a combined Avg MPG of 50.38 with a 0.54 MPG margin of error."

2023 Toyota Prius MPG - Actual MPG from 10 2023 Toyota Prius owners

"Based on data from 10 vehicles, 52 fuel-ups and 19,468 miles of driving, the 2023 Toyota Prius gets a combined Avg MPG of 49.57 with a 1.05 MPG margin of error."

Statistically speaking at this point, the 2023 gives up practically nothing in MPG's and gives back TRUCKLOADS of improved driving satisfaction, appearance, and technological advancements.

 

that's pretty amazing considering the wheel sizes

 

And I've got a sneaking suspicion that Hypermilers (who will not be in Lambo Mode very often), are going to be able to break some records with the 2023 LE's.

As everybody knows, the MPG range on a Prius is extremely wide. Some drive around with their pedal to the floor 24/7 and get mid-40's; others drive more carefully and enjoy the following (in a 2019 LE):


I had at least a gallon of gas left when I filled up. Getting 70 MPG's (actual) on a tank is not hard and you don't have to drive like a turtle.


This drive was from stop to stop, had many stoplights and turns, and acceleration to speed was not slow (just under the PWR line).

Can't wait to cruise around in the new 2023. I've heard it tries to stay in EV mode much more than the Gen4's. That should be interesting as I can get 70%+ often on a commute now!

And then if somebody wants to be rude around me, I have enough power on tap to blow their doors off. Sounds like driving Utopia to me.

 

If Toyota says 23 gets better mileage I would go with that technically. The Gen 4, and I had/have the 2020 Prime could achieve amazing mpg in hybrid mode. Someone told me their non Prime could and does get 60 mpg and I didn’t really believe them until I saw it for myself. I think the Prime utilizes the larger battery more in hybrid mode to offset the extra weight of the battery. Which brings up if the battery is bigger and heavier, that hurts efficiency.
I think the Prius shows the average mpg from new, like my Gen 4 Prime says 67 something. I’m trying to work it up higher but shows the previous owner didn’t always drive in ev as much as I plan to. I am not sure if this value can be reset it seems illogical it could be.

 

There are two portions; track and public roads. They don't test during winter months, and not in any wet weather, but it's Connecticut, so a range of temperatures is possible. They avoid times of traffic for the public roads. The fuel is whatever is at the local station; winter bland availability extends into fall and spring.

I don't think they've ever published things like acceleration rates and speeds.

Without double checking, the new high trims have the same combined EPA as the gen4. The new LE is just a little worse than the old Eco. I wouldn't have expected Toyota to start over reporting Prius values.

The old Prime EPA rating is a little better than the hybrid. The new one is noticably worse*. Safe to safe it went past the point of higher capacity helping hybrid efficiency into the weight hurting.

*Toyota has numbers up on their site, if they haven't gone up on Fueleconomy.gov.

 

They've had the car for at least 2 months. Wrote their own weird review on it a month ago. What's the holdup? There's been 6 billion reviews produced already. The consensus was clear. They missed the window.

 

...If there were anything sensational to report, anyway.

They are very thorough in their testing, but they have very occasionally made early reports when there was something groundbreaking.

I'll be shocked if their eventual report is anything other than a long version of "Same MPG, prettier & faster packaging."

 

Recent Consumer Reports Review of 2023 Prius | Page 4 | PriusChat

See post #62

 

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2023 Prius Prime: 48 mpg
2022 Prius Prime: 50 mpg

Unfortunately, Gen 5 suffered from the Trump fuel-economy rollback, and Biden's reversal did not come in time for the Gen 5 redesign; so, we are stuck with a Prius redesign with mediocre fuel economy for the next six years.

U.S. boosts fuel efficiency rules as Biden reverses Trump rollback | Reuters[/QUOTE]

For those of us who plan to use this car as a BEV for city commuting most of the time, and a PHEV for LONGER, out of town trips, the longer batter range is far more important that the 'fuel economy rollback'.

 

In my case, the minimal decrease (if any) in mpg is offset by the fact I would not have owned a prior generation Prius. I like to have a car that is fun to drive, and that does not feel woefully underpowered when I am trying to merge into 70 mile per hour traffic with everyone keeping space between cars that is not adequate anyway. So call me selfish, I want a car that I like to drive and that has enough power to safely drive in high traffic areas. Add to that the fact that with the 2023 Prime most of my driving will be in full EV mode, it is a great car, and it is probably the most environmentally responsible one I would consider if I am not yet going BEV. Without the redesign I would be driving something else. To say that it has "mediocre fuel economy" in light of all this is not accurate. The best fuel economy is to ride a bike or walk, but I cannot always do that.

I am happy to not have to hypermile to get the last few mpg benefits and annoy every other driver on the road that wants to drive at the prevailing speed of traffic. That probably does more damage by turning off people who might be open to not driving a gas guzzler to the whole concept of driving an environmentally responsible car.

 

I don't think the design of the 2023 has anything to do with that. It's about moving the car into a new sporty market segment and ceding the "practical" segment to the Corolla/Camry hybrids. Just wish we had the Corolla Hatch in a hybrid in the US.

 

The Prius hybrid's already somewhat irrelevant, thanks to the Corolla sedan and Cross hybrid.

A Corolla Hatch hybrid or PHEV would be the last nail in the coffin.


The Prius Prime, however, doesn't have as many alternatives.

 

Which why Europe is only getting the Prius plug in. They also have a Corolla wagon hybrid in addition to the the sedan and hatch. Aside fro CAFE targets, North America might just be getting the Prius hybrid in order to help keep workers in Japan busy.