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Complete loss of power, Part II

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by andrewclaus, Jun 30, 2013.

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    A few days ago I posted a thread about losing power on a steep hill climb with a cold engine. I replaced the hybrid battery and all seemed well. A few days later, the problem occurred again--bummer. (The car has 120K miles and has spent most of its life in a hot and mountainous environment, and I knew the hybrid battery was failing, so that's not a problem. I was just hoping the one solution would solve two problems.)

    The car starts the climb OK, gains a few hundred feet in elevation, still has some charge left in the hybrid battery, then loses power, surges a couple of times, then comes to stop. The engine continues to run at idle and I get no warning or check engine lights. The "ready" light stays on. This time, the second time it happened, I turned off the car, turned it back on again immediately, and all was well. The remainder of the 1000' climb went fine. As did several other similar climbs on the same drive. Since then I've climbed this hill with a cold engine without a problem, so it's intermittent.

    I hesitate to pay Toyota for a code scan since the check engine light did not come on. Should I do this anyway? My local auto parts store will scan for free, but I know that their scanner will not read Toyota-specific codes, just industry standards.

    Any ideas or suggestions? Thanks in advance.
     
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    Does this mean that the engine is unresponsive to the accelerator pedal?

    Then if you make the car IG-OFF, then make it READY again, the car can be driven uphill without further problems?

    If there are no warning lights then there will be no DTC logged and therefore nothing to retrieve.
     
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    Correct, the engine is unresponsive to the accelerator pedal. I'm positive of this--I tried several times.

    Yes, IG-OFF back to READY and the car works fine immediately and for the rest of the day. It's just like a reboot on the PC.
     
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    Well, at least you have a workaround for now. Perhaps you'll decide to live with the problem as-is until it gets worse and a DTC is logged.

    If you feel the need to take some action now, you might ask your local Toyota dealer to download the latest firmware to the engine ECU and hybrid vehicle ECU. Maybe there is a glitch that can be resolved with new firmware...
     
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    Thank you, very much. We'll talk to the dealer about it.
     
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    What happens when the engine is warm Andrew?
     
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    The problem has not yet happened with a warm engine. It's only happened twice, both times cold, and I've made that climb many more similar climbs with a warm engine with no problem at all.
     
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    When the engine is cold it puts a lot more strain on the electric drive. So it's obviously something in the HV drive system (battery inverter or MG's) that's getting overloaded/overheated and cutting out. So I repeat (from previous thread) have you checked for circulation in the inverter coolant loop yet?

    Hint: "I had it changed last year" is not the correct answer.
     
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    Like Uart says that pump change is meaningless concerning the health of the Inverter Coolant. Like they did with my car they just clamp the hoses off and slide a new pump in.

    Also when was the trans fluid changed last? If never your way overdue for both trans and Inverter coolant and engine coolant.

    Hot mountainous regions are super duty for a Prius and the regular maintenance should be doubled.
     
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    I also have powerless in going up hills an am showing one bar battery do I need a new battery and what's the cost