1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Colorado Piloting Eliminating Gas Tax

Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by MrMischief, Nov 15, 2016.

  1. MrMischief

    MrMischief Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    426
    443
    0
    Location:
    Denver CO
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    CDOT to test taxing drivers by the mile instead of at the pump – The Denver Post

    Want to see a fast way to get me back into using my truck as a daily driver? Increase the cost of operating my Prius.

    it's probably fair to charge a per mile tax (that I would also link to vehicle weight) but I don't want a GPS unit in my car and "most of those miles were driven out of state." Those hurdles will be difficult to overcome, the best way currently is still the gas tax.
     
    Bluegrassman and RCO like this.
  2. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,166
    50,060
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    with all the marijuana taxes pouring in, they should eliminate all others.

    it's funny how they offer the best plug in tax incentives, but now want to tax them for driving.:confused:
     
    RCO and DonDNH like this.
  3. Rmay635703

    Rmay635703 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 16, 2016
    2,609
    1,624
    0
    Location:
    Somewhere in Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2013 Chevy Volt
    Model:
    N/A
    Tax by mile should be federally illegal and banned on privately owned vehicles.

    Waste millions of dollars tracking people just so people out of state and semis don't need to pay much of anything to drive there, smart.
     
    Bluegrassman, RCO and bisco like this.
  4. fotomoto

    fotomoto Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2009
    5,608
    3,788
    0
    Location:
    So. Texas
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    And the opposite: the tons of tourist driving their cars or rentals who buy gas but wouldn't pay a tax under this system.
     
    RCO and MrMischief like this.
  5. mmmodem

    mmmodem Senior Taste Tester

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2011
    2,732
    1,703
    0
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    I'm currently "not" participating in a beta for a per mile tax program for CA. I signed up to participate but it's pretty annoying. I selected the phone gps tracking method. But I still have to "buy" miles on an account to continue driving. I also have to take a picture of my odometer periodically.

    All this administration and tracking needs must cost a whole boat load of money. It's money that could go straight to a gas tax which will go straight to government to waste. Either way, it goes to waste but at least the gas tax is less annoying. But oh no, it's political suicide to raise gas tax. I mean is the general public really that stubborn? Would we really rather track our miles giving up privacy in some cases when a simple raise in gas tax will solve the issue and generate more money?
     
    RCO likes this.
  6. MrMischief

    MrMischief Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    426
    443
    0
    Location:
    Denver CO
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    This is my first thought. I could have licensed my Prius in Montana and saved a bunch of cash in sales taxes and registration fees (this is why you'll see super cars or big RVs with Montana tags). If they move forward with this plan I could also save on gas tax and not pay any mileage tax. It's almost like they want me to cheat them.
     
    Bluegrassman and RCO like this.
  7. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,166
    50,060
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    what a great state to fill up in, if you live nearby. gas savings will pay for your weed.
     
    Bluegrassman, hkmb and RCO like this.
  8. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,665
    15,664
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus
    There are private companies quite willing to handle this for a small, nominal fee. Just like private prisons that make money by filling the cells and avoiding parole or anything that might depopulate their profit center.

    Bob Wilson
     
    #8 bwilson4web, Nov 15, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 15, 2016
    RCO, fuzzy1 and mmmodem like this.
  9. Coast Cruiser

    Coast Cruiser Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2016
    2,267
    2,571
    0
    Location:
    Pacific Coast Highway
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Don't worry everybody... Hillary will fix everything.

    Oh, wait a minute. She lost! And there goes her tax increase. :ROFLMAO:

    Peace, Love, Dope... Welcome to California!
    We passed the recreational marijuana use proposal. :sleep:
     
    Burna J and RCO like this.
  10. Coast Cruiser

    Coast Cruiser Senior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2016
    2,267
    2,571
    0
    Location:
    Pacific Coast Highway
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Sorry, that's off-topic. I am all for the gas tax… Even though California seems to increase it every couple years. Now that I'm driving a Prius, I don't really give a flip. :LOL:
     
    RCO likes this.
  11. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,166
    50,060
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    doh! you just got us thrown into fhopol!:p
     
    RCO likes this.
  12. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    22,452
    11,766
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    If you are going to tax by mile, just go by the odometer. States with regular inspections are already tracking that.

    For those that don't want to pay for miles out of state, the onus is on them to keep track and record those. The IRS doesn't reimburse people the expenses of tracking work miles on a private vehicle.
     
  13. wjtracy

    wjtracy Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 19, 2006
    11,341
    3,596
    1
    Location:
    Northern VA (NoVA)
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Maybe I should register in Montana too. Just kidding, the way Virginia gets around that is we say any car "garaged" in Virginia pays the tax.
     
    RCO likes this.
  14. MrMischief

    MrMischief Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    426
    443
    0
    Location:
    Denver CO
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    of the 10k miles on my car..... I'm going to go ahead and say 8500 of them were not in Colorado......
     
    RCO, Rmay635703 and Eastside like this.
  15. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    22,452
    11,766
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Then you shouldn't have a problem documenting that for reducing your per mile state tax.
     
  16. MrMischief

    MrMischief Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    426
    443
    0
    Location:
    Denver CO
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Nope! no problem at all.... Such an easy way to get out of paying taxes....
     
    Bluegrassman and RCO like this.
  17. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    22,452
    11,766
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Should be as easy as documenting miles for work on your federal income taxes.
     
    RCO likes this.
  18. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2010
    7,856
    6,658
    0
    Location:
    Redneck Riviera (Gulf South)
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Why wouldn't they just take odometer affidavits when the registration is renewed?
    It's already against the law to tamper with ODOs, and there are already programs in place (Carfax and others) that work pretty hard to identify odometer fraud.
    Tyranical oppressively tax-happy nations abroad have been taxing people based on miles driven for years, and somehow I suspect that they just do odo statements.
    I don't get why this is such a heavy lift unless you have inlaws who just happen to be (wink-wink!) "low bidder" on the GPS tracking units.....

    (This is why you never let dot.gov run what could be simple programs.)
     
    #18 ETC(SS), Nov 18, 2016
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2016
    RCO, Trollbait and Coast Cruiser like this.
  19. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,665
    15,664
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus
    Not when you can outsource it to a private contractor who collects a 'fee.'

    Bob Wilson
     
    RCO likes this.
  20. MrMischief

    MrMischief Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2008
    426
    443
    0
    Location:
    Denver CO
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    How many of those miles were driven out of state?
     
    RCO likes this.