1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Cheaper to buy everyone cars than Build Light Rail ?

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by Tempus, Aug 26, 2004.

  1. Tempus

    Tempus Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2004
    1,690
    6
    0
    Location:
    Washington DC
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    http://www.dailypress.com/news/opinion/dp-...nion-editorials

    Why not buy a bunch of cars

    August 26, 2004

    A new report from the Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis confirms what many light-rail skeptics have been saying for some time: It would be less costly to buy new cars for transit riders than build and subsidize new rail systems.

    The Fed report says it would be considerably cheaper to give a new Toyota Prius to each low-income rider of the St. Louis light-rail line, and replace it with a new Prius every five years, than it is to operate that rail line.

    One of the principal justifications for public aid to transit is to provide mobility to low-income people who cannot afford cars. Federal data indicate approximately 70 percent of transit riders do not have access to a car for their trips.

    But transit clearly is incapable of providing much mobility for the poor. For decades, virtually all new urban-area jobs (in the United States and throughout much of Europe and Canada) have been established in places that have little or no transit service. For example, a Federal Transit Administration report found there were virtually no jobs in the growing suburban Boston employment areas that could be reached conveniently by transit from low-income central city districts.

    Research out of the University of California-Berkeley indicates nearly one-half of the unemployment rate gap between African-Americans and non-Hispanic whites would be eliminated if virtually all African-American workers had cars.

    In the United States, it would cost less than $10 billion to provide cars for all the transit riders who don't have access to them, compared with annual spending of about $25 billion on transit subsidies. Surprisingly, a commercial model for such a program already exists. Around the world, anti-automobile activists have established "car-share" networks that allow people to have access to cars without having to own them. For example, "Flex-Car" in Portland, Ore., provides cars for less than $0.30 per vehicle mile - a rate that includes the car, insurance, service and fuel.

    Today, car-sharing is seen as a substitute for car ownership. But its larger market may be to replace public transit systems. Flex-Car's Web site offers packages that allow up to 3,000 miles per month for $700. Transit riders generally don't travel nearly that much. But if transit riders were allowed the freedom of a car, they would travel farther. If transit riders were to double their travel, the cost under Flex-Car's volume discount pricing system would be less than $15 billion, still $10 billion less than the transit subsidies.

    A "cars for the poor" program is a thought experiment, not an actual proposal for converting transit subsidy programs into automobile options for low-income transit riders. But it demonstrates the high cost, limited success, and unfair distribution of benefits of the current transit subsidy scheme.

    It is time to start considering alternatives that would provide greater value for taxpayers and more choices for transit riders.

    Cox is a senior fellow at The Heartland Institute.
     
  2. LewLasher

    LewLasher Member

    Joined:
    Jan 20, 2004
    244
    66
    0
    Location:
    Cambridge, Massachusetts
    Vehicle:
    2019 Prius
    Model:
    XLE AWD-e
    If subsidies for mass transit are converted to subsidies for automobiles, it would increase the tendency for the land use pattern where development continues to spread out and consume open land (i.e., sprawl).

    It's possible to contain sprawl and also have automobiles. It's not an either-or situation. But, to answer the question raised by the article, if you are choosing between mass transit and private automobiles, this would be one of the first-level effects.
     
  3. bookrats

    bookrats New Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2004
    2,843
    2
    0
    Location:
    Seattle, WA
    Well, I can only say that when ridership is high (as in Portland, OR or Europe), light rail is economically viable.

    Try to imagine buying cars for everyone who rides light rail each day in Portland or Frankfurt (and maintaining them, and paying for the fuel).

    Not that the Flex-Car plan is a bad alternative, for some people. LewLasher is right -- the trick is, getting a mix of solutions that provide the best possible solutions and value.
     
  4. richard schumacher

    richard schumacher shortbus driver

    Joined:
    Mar 27, 2004
    7,663
    1,041
    0
    Location:
    United States
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Cox is a self-educated transit "expert" and has long been a shill for automotive interests. He's the go-to guy when you want a learned-sounding anti transit op-ed piece.

    To answer the headline assertion: yes, it would be cheaper to buy new cars for transit ridership, but then there would be no place to drive those cars. People making this argument appear to think that all those po' folks would be driving their nice new cars on rural interstates between their country estates and not using them for commutes on urban freeways.
     
  5. hdrygas

    hdrygas New Member

    Joined:
    May 22, 2004
    3,650
    6
    0
    Location:
    Olympia Wa
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    There are so many holes in this "analysis" one does not know where to begin. He sure talks a good line and sounds logical though and people will buy it. :(
     
  6. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    14,487
    1,518
    0
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    If you gave everyone an automobile you would increase taffic congestion and you'd have to build and maintain more roads.

    How does the cost of all those extra roads, to accommodate all those extra cars, compare to the cost of light (or normal) rail?
     
  7. Sun__Tzu

    Sun__Tzu New Member

    Joined:
    May 4, 2004
    314
    0
    0
    Location:
    Bethesda, MD
    Wouldn't you also need more parking for all those cars? Does this analysis include $$ for massive, multi-level parking garages?

    And how about the costs of maintenance, car insurance and gas?

    hmmmmm
     
  8. skruse

    skruse Senior Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2004
    1,454
    97
    0
    Location:
    Coloma CA - Sierra Nevada
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Mass Transit vs. Individual Vehicles

    Interesting - multiple analyses do not consider "least cost, end use" (long term, big picture). No discussion of the costs of sprawl, air quality, noise, loss of farm land and open space, commute time and cost and highways are always built at the expense of surface streets. We always seem to overlook that many highways and city streets are federally subsidized, but expect light rail or mass transit to pay its way up front.

    Light rail can be electric (including photovoltaic assisted), whereas we consistently "substitute oil for knowledge." Time to use applied knowledge and wean outselves from fossile fuel addiction.