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Car wouldn't start - low 12v battery? Need recommendations

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by JOL, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. JOL

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    Hi all,

    I've got a 2010 Prius w/ NAV. Yesterday morning, my Prius would not start. When I pressed on the brake, the green "Ready" button would not light up. When I pressed the start button, the NAV screen came on as did some of the dash lights, but the car engine itself was not on. When I hit the start button again, I had a yellow triangle on the left side of my screen that continued to blink.

    From reviewing the forum, I believe that the issue is the 12V aux battery. I was able to get my car into maintenance mode, and the 12V battery was reading 8.6V; however, this was after my car had sat in the garage for 10 or so hours. However, by going into maintenance mode, I was again able to get my car to start. This morning, I drove my car to work (about a 15-20 minute drive). After I got to the office, I turned the car off and got back into maintenance mode. This time, it was reading 11.6V on the battery.

    Am I correct that this is most likely an issue w/ the 12V battery going bad on me? I purchased my Prius in July 2010, and I have never changed the battery. It sounds like the "typical" lifespan for the battery is right around 4 years, so this seems to make sense.

    Has anyone else experienced this issue? Is it the battery or something else? If it is the battery, do you guys have any recommendations on a particular brand of battery to get, as well as where to get one? On another forum, someone mentioned the Optima Yellowtop (model DS46B24R / part # 8171-767), but I am open to any other recommendations (goes for under $150 on Amazon; my dealership was charging $192.13 for the battery before tax and install).

    Thanks in advance for your assistance!
     
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    Yes it's your 12v, change it now so you don't get stranded. The yellow top is acceptable but the oem battery from the dealer is better
     
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    Thanks for the quick reply. Any thoughts on Bosch-branded battery for the Prius? My local Pep Boys has this for under $200 installed, w/ a 4-year warranty (the dealership said that their battery was warranted for 2 years only).
     
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    When shopping, look for:

    1. Dimensions to be the same as OEM (or very close)
    2. Same size posts
    3. Same Absorbent Glass Mat (AGM) type (since battery is in passenger compartment, and could spill in accident)
    4. Vent Tube spigot, similar location/diameter as OEM (since battery is in passenger compartment, to vent hydrogen gas to exterior)

    Consider contacting a Toyota dealership parts department as well. They'll have the OEM replacement. If the price is close, might save some headaches.

    You might also try recharging your current battery with a smart charger, and monitoring the voltage with a digital multimeter.
     
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    The battery from the dealership has a 84 month warranty, which is 7 years. I believe someone mentioned the Bosch battery a couple days ago, this battery doesn't seem to have the right posts, the Prius uses smaller battery posts. The Optima yellow top does have the correct posts for a proper fit without any modifications.
     
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    Thanks for the feedback re: the battery posts and the warranty. The OEM battery will run about $250 installed from the dealership, so I may as well go that route for peace of mind.

    As for the warranty, it is my understanding that the direct replacement warranty for the OEM battery is 2 years. From years 3-7, it's a prorated warranty. For the Bosch, it is a 4-year direct replacement warranty, though it is unclear whether there is a pro-rated warranty after the 4-year period.
     
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    $250 installed seems like a very good price. Can't say I see much mention of dealer installed batteries for under $300 on here. 2010 battery is quite easy to install, if you do it yourself, should only take you 15 minutes
     
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    The Optima yellow top from eLearnaid arrived quickly & fully charged. After getting a crap battery from a dealer I wasn't returning & back then their warranty was 1 year.

    Ensure you have the right tools & aren't pressed for time & it'll take you an hour, otherwise, two.

    Wherever you buy the battery ensure it is fully charged before installing.
     
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    I hate to say it, but you're likely right.

    Still, what is it with Toyota? Last time I replaced a Honda's battery, a couple of years back, the part cost was $135 (CAN), and they would have replaced it for no extra cost. It was just more convenient for me to do in that case, but just saying.

    To be fair it was a regular lead-acid battery, but...
     
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    Unless the guy was blowing smoke up my rear, I called Tustin Toyota and was quoted $190 for the battery and $45 for install (Autonation Toyota in Irvine quoted me $192.13 for the battery but nobody from service called me back re: the cost of installation). I also called my mechanic and was informed that $45 for installation was about correct.

    I have watched the Youtube video on how to replace the battery and it looks doable, even for someone like myself w/ no experience. However, i don't own any of the tools that I would need to accomplish this project, plus, my wife would likely not be pleased if I went out and spent money on tools, and then spent 1-2 hours of my weekend changing the battery (I can guarantee it will take me much more than 15 minutes) when she'd rather have me help out with our son; thus, I'd rather spend the $45 to have someone install the battery for me. I admire those of you who have the time, patience and know-how to do this yourselves!

    Just an FYI, but I did some online price comparison, and it looks like you can get the Bosch battery for about $150 installed and the Optima Yellowtop for about $180 installed from Pep Boys after applying a 25% off coupon online.
     
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    Buy a simple socket set for mechanics. Shouldn't be more than $20. You need a 10mm and 12mm metric socket.

    You really should have a basic set of sockets at home.

    This must be a new thing with dealers charging $45. Most will charge you the full hours labor rate at $120 or more
     
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    Turns out Tustin Toyota was blowing smoke up my rear. I got the price quote yesterday from the parts department; when I called the service department this morning to find out the total price, I was told it would be $315 - about $200 for the part and $115 for the labor (a full hour of labor). Autonation Toyota quoted me $347.50 for the same. I was disappointed with the bait and switch so I ordered the Optima from Pep Boys for $180 installed (after a 25% coupon). However, although they claim that the Optima they were trying to install was the correct model, they were telling me that it would not fit because of something w/ the terminals. I am now beyond annoyed.

    I am now thinking that I should just buy the OEM battery from the dealership for $200 and have my mechanic install it for $45, or I could alternatively get the socket set as JC91006 recommended and attempt to install myself. For those of you who have installed your own battery, what do you do with your old one?
     
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    pep boys got the original optima that required a terminal adapter kit. optima has made a corrected version for quite awhile now.
     
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    What's the big deal?

    I'd but the battery from the dealer and install it in the parking lot. It takes 20 minutes. Then, I'd take the old battery to the dealer inside for credit.

    I'd have a 10 and 12 mm socket handy with a 1/4 drive ratchet and ling extension, as well as a 10mm and a 12 mm combination wrench.

    These are items that everyone should carry in the trunk compartment of their car. Even if you can't do it, a good Samaritan could help, unless you din NOT have tools.
     
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    @JimN, why did you buy your Optima from eLearnaid v. from Amazon (the PriusDIY website linked to both elearnaid and Amazon for the directfit Optima)? Also, why did you opt for the Optima v. the OEM one? @JC91006 seems to advocate for the OEM one, so I wanted to get your perspective. Thanks!
     
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    If you are set on the optima battery, you can buy it on Amazon for $147.00, shipping is free. Then you can still bring it to your mechanic and install for $45. However if you do end up trying the DIY, you'll realize how fulfilling it is to do this on your own. It really is a simple swap, many videos on youtube to help you. It's no different than a regular car battery.

    The Optima battery is a hit or miss on quality. I had one about a year ago, didn't hold charge, sent it back for a replacement. The new one, which I still have, is doing very well. But I still opt for the OEM if I had to do it all over again.
     
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    I can't see how anyone making $20 an hour or leas than half that before taxes will not learn how to replace a battery, then the going rate is $90+ an hour at the stealership.
     
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    Unfortunately, I am one of THOSE people who do not own a socket set. In looking at prices on Amazon, it looks like it'll run me about $20 for a Stanley socket set and $10 for the extension kit. I've got a set of adjustable wrenches, so that should work, right? Otherwise, it's $32 for a combination wrench set (or $10 for a 10mm and 12mm combinatinon wrench)....so I can expect to spend about $40-60 for all of the necessary tools, plus a portable jump starter for about $60 (or jumper cables for about $25).

    I understand the sentiment that everyone should own these tools. Unfortunately, I am one of those people who don't, as I don't typically work on my car. Thus, I have to do the cost-benefit analysis of - do I spent $40-100 for all of these tools, which I can again use in the future, or do I just pay my mechanic $45 to do it for me?
     
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    Thanks @JC91006. I didn't understand why you were such an advocate for the OEM one, but given your experience, I now understand where you are coming from.

    Given all of your feedback, I may just bite the bullet and buy all of the necessary tools and learn to do this all on my own. Even if I end up spending more money now, I'm sure that the other tools will come in handy in the future.
     
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    You don't even have a friend or neighbor who you can take to lunch?

    You don't have to buy the best. I've seen a 1/4 drive metric set for $10 at Lowe's and a set of metric combination wrenches for $3.

    Home Depot even had metric socket sets with extension for sale at $7.