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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by udor, Nov 25, 2009.

  1. udor

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    This question comes from down under. Basically a dealer is selling a 2003 gen 2 prius (i-tech) with 90,000km (about 58,000miles) on the clock. Its an ex fleet car, the interior is slightly tatty, but it drives nicely. The outside is in good cond as well. They want about $17k AUD drive away, considering they were $46k new its not too bad! I'm sure people in the US pay much less!

    Anyway, with the age obviously there is no warranty, and the mileage seems pretty high. The books show that 2 services were missed, one at 20,000km and 40,000km. With my car it will be $6k change over. Seems that thigs are expensive to repair, so I'm just weighing it all up. Anyone have any huge problems at that milage?
     
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    58,000 miles is nothing on a 6 year old car.
     
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    Agreed, that mileage is really nothing to worry about for that year vehicle. I wouldn't let that deter you.

    The "ex-fleet" thing might concern me a bit more. How was is used exactly? A "fleet" vehicle has lots of meanings: company car, rental car, etc. A big difference if the car was driven as a rental or by the local church ladies a few times a week. Know what I mean? Also, some things may be out of warranty, but the battery is good for many more miles IIRC.

    I would ask to have it looked over by an independent mechanic. But remember, it's a Toyota - that means it's damn reliable!

    Good luck!
     
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    There is something wrong here. A second gen. Prius is a 2004 to 2009 car. A 2003 Prius is usually a first gen one. See my avatar on the left which is a GII Prius. All GIIs (2004 to 2009) look like that.

    If the car offered is indeed a GII, make sure it had the steering box defect addressed and the display (MFD) perhaps too. Those were the two things that failed in early model GIIs.
     
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    It is def. gen 3. The steering box was fixed in 06'. I think I'll grab it!!
     
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    you mean Gen 2...
     
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    ROFL, yes gen 2. Build date was Oct 2003.
     
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    I noticed this morning that when I pressed the power button, the engine start srtaight away. When I put it in reverse, the car/engine seems to shudder a bit (did it also in drive). Is this normal?????
     
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    Not sure what you mean by "shudder:"

    If you mean the engine is quiet and suddenly makes funny noises then that's normal.

    If you mean the brakes are grabby, that is not normal.
     
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    Maybe the shuddering happens when the gas engine is turning off/on? There should be no drivetrain vibration while you are actually moving backwards since you are under electric power only.

    In North America, we have the concept of model years which is not the same as calendar years. Thus 2004 model year vehicles usually would commence sales in October 2003 and end in September 2004. Sometimes this general rule is not followed, for example with the 2010 Prius which started North American sales in March 2009 and will continue to be sold for more than a 12 month period...

    However it sounds like in Europe and Australia, the calendar year of manufacture is used, not model year.
     
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    The engine stayed on for a few minutes, maybe because there werent enough bars? While it the engine was on, and in drive or reverse, a random shudder occurred. You can try it yourself and see if your car does it. Drive it in EV mode and drain down the battery a bit, then come to a stop and the engine should charge the battery. Can you feel any shuddering? Maybe it was because the engine was cold??
     
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    If you have the heater on the engine will start straight away, being in Melbourne this will be the case more often than not.
    Not sure about the shudder, but you will notice slight shakes when the engine cuts in and out.

    $17k is a good price, they are currently selling at government auction for about $20k in SA.

    To our American friends, in Australia we refer to the year of manufacture rather than model year. So a Generation II Prius can be a 2003 model as production commenced in late 2003. The practice of bringing out a car in mid 2009 and touting it as next years model was banned here, it is deceptive. I actually find it ammusing that it still isn't December 2009 and a lot of you already think you have next years car. Funny because they would have started designing the current Prius back in 2005/6 and would currently be working on the next Prius while you are driving next year's car.
     
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    Don't do that, it wastes energy and fuel.
     
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    The shuddering occurred definately while the motor was running. Felt equivalent to a bad idle. The shuddering disappeared once I let the brake pedal go and started moving.
     
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    Hi udor, another Aussie here. I recently bought a secondhand 2004 model Gen2. My advice is that the price on the car you're considering is not really that great and that you might be able to find a better deal.

    Granted there are not so many Pruis in Australia (compared with N.America) so the S/H market is a bit thin, but it's still a buyers market out there. One that I looked at had been on the dealers lot for 17 weeks and believe me that by then they were quite keen to move it.

    I can post some more details of prices of what I looked at and eventually bought when I get home later tonight.
     
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    Its an i-tech. The redbook was 16k for private sale. But I have never seen an i-tech this cheap! Anyway, I havent bought it yet!
    I was going to trade in my 03 corolla conquest, they offered 11k. So it was going to be a 6k turn around.
     
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    Remember he's from Australia. They name the cars according to the actual year. There is no model year (i.e. the 2009 Prius could refer to the Gen 2 or the Gen 3. Yes it's confusing)
     
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    Just a thought. I started the car on a bit of incline. There wasnt much fuel in the car, so maybe the engine was being starved of petrol, and thus spluttering? This makes sense to me!
     
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    Ok I didn't notice that. What extra features does that model i-tech have?
     
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    The engine was running continuosly. While it was running, and I had it in reverse, or drive with the brake engaged, it seemed that the car wanted to move forward (which is what it wants to do anyway), and was a slight shuddering/jerking, be it the engine or elecric motor which I could also feel through the steering wheel. In neutral, it did not make the shuddering vibrations even though the engine was still running. I told the dealer about it, but typically they cant seem to find this problem. Its weird, and given the expensive & complex equipment on these cars, its probably not worth getting it!!