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bought mine last year, but i'm inclined to think that people who really want one will find something at the right price.
sales may suffer a bit due to the credit going away, but manufacturers will find ways to offset that.
the horse is out of the barn, and no politician will be able to stop it, just slow it down a bit, if at all.

 

It is rather interesting to watch.
Some companies are ambivalent towards, or even fighting against having to produce EVs. Yet, the worldwide market of non-EVs is shrinking.

Reminds me a lot of Kodak trying to bury digital cameras.

 

Meh...people who want EVs, Hybrids, ICE, Diesel...or what ever...buy what they want. The problem is mandating what people have to buy...and then forcing to like and accept it.

 

Manufacturers will simply lower the prices and take a smaller profit margin. If they can't make a certain profit margin, they will discontinue the product line. It's simple economics, no-one can sustain selling something at a lost.

 

Nope.
I'll let the early adopters pay 'their fair share' first.

 

Just make it up on volume?

 

LMAO, Most of China's EV car manufacturers are almost totally vertically integrated, at least the most expensive parts of the car, along with their cheap labor force - can bring a 'good' car to market, cheaper and faster than any car manufacturer out there today! That's the real reason why the USA and EU want to toss up road blocks to keep them out - they know they can't compete! China isn't going to stop making EVs, they've already seen the benefits, over the last decade. Smog and air pollution over their large cities are clearing up. They are also experimenting with new nuclear designed electricity generating facilities.

 

it couldn't be any reason like this could it?c8xj9jp57r2o

 

Yep, that's the reason the US off-shored most of their manufacturing over 4 decades ago. It wasn't till viral online posts forced them to clean-up their working conditions. I believe it took Nike & Apple over a decade of public pressure, before they rewrote their manufacturing contracts to enforce child labor laws....

 

^ and not only to china, but rather to all of Asia within the last 50 years. And the further we get from the date when the US started outsourcing to Asia the easier it is for policy makers to hide the fact, especially from people who were not even born yet when it started.
How many US companies outsource to Asian countries with low wage work forces, while blaming them for producing products that rival our own. Hell they've been manufacturing our stuff for quite a while now and have probably learned at least of few of our ways of doing things good and bad.

Sad and a very unpopular perspective to hold. Make up you own mind whether you believe it.

 

believe what?

 

How many BYD vehicles meet US safety standards????? (whether or not they use slave labour)

I believe that the other Asian nations that sell products here DO and DON'T ..... in that order.
I may not like Toyota's corporate culture very much but they DO meet US safety standards and they have NEVER used slave labour nor has the nation of Japan practiced ethnic cleansing in the last 80 years or so.

 

It's a catch 22, Why build to US safety standards when we've made it clear that we're going to throw up road blocks at every turn and "move the goal post". If I was running BYD, I wouldn't incur additional cost and engineering; unless there's a clear pathway of acceptance into the US. In the mean time, they're selling cars everywhere else. Changing the dies simply increase overall cost with no clear pathway would be a waste of company resources and increases cost to countries they are already selling to.
Let's not forget that US companies knowingly off-shored - if they didn't know at the time, they could've make adjustments when they found out. They didn't act till bad press and falling sales forced their hand.

No-one's perfect - especially when it comes to Power and Money......

 

The same reason that you adhere to our OSHA standards and not use slave, prison, or child labour....
The Japanese and Germans saw around this corner in the 80's when the US used trade protectionism against them which is why they both have factories in the US building 'not-import' models.

 

Almost all their management don't know anything about OSHA standards. They were given plans and deadlines from US Corporations, enforced by contracts, penalties and bonuses. All we cared about is getting our merchandise when we want it - didn't care "how the cake was baked", that's why it took a decade before child labor was unacceptable - and could void the contract.

The Germans & Japanese didn't have a crystal ball - There's been a US present there since WWII, and the military bases was running OSHA standards; so they knew what was acceptable and unacceptable.

 

so do the chinese

 

If somebody 'doesn't know' that ethnic cleansing and slave labour isn't 'OK' then I don't want to buy their stuff.
I don't want to buy their stuff if they DO comply with societal norms and do not produce their crap ecologically.....or they erect trade barriers.

Sometimes I have to - but I pay attention to labels and buy domestic when/where I can.

This is a TOYOTA forum.
They actually build a decent product, and Japan is a fairly liberal nation that (with a few interesting outliers) meets societal norms.
So are the Germans.
They needed a leadership and a social recalibration after end of the last world war, but the Germans and the Japanese have always been fine engineers and builders. I take it as an article of faith that you did not intend to suggest that the Japanese in particular have to have non-Asians show them how to run their countries.

We have to build products that meet our customer's needs.
In the US, we have an alphabet-soup chocked full of agencies that struggle furiously to thwart the beneficial side effects of Darwinism.

If our companies can do it while being saddled with our labour unions then I'm pretty sure that the ChiComms can.

Tactical shift: China’s heavy stealth jet emerges while USAF’s 6th-gen program stalls

 

Tesla hurts Hertz so they sell at discount:

https://www.sfgate.com/travel/article/major-car-rental-company-sfo-pulls-plug-tesla-20002059.php

With 175 remaining only:

Hertz continues EV purge, asks renters if they want to buy instead of return - Ars Technica

 

Good news for EV shoppers.