Bush Quote on Hybrids

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mardikes @ Apr 25 2006, 12:05 PM) [snapback]244870[/snapback]</div>

This may be the biggest understatement ever on the Priuschat.com website

 

yeah... how dare he come to California on earth day and pose as a friend of the evironment?

IMPEACH BUSH NOW HE MUST GO!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mardikes @ Apr 25 2006, 11:05 AM) [snapback]244870[/snapback]</div>

My wife and I have been saying this for years.

The current (and past) administration should have, years ago, forced Big Auto to dramatically increase the average MPG of the US auto fleet.

On the EPA website, it still says that cutting back on our oil consumption is in our US National Security Interests.

I can't stand it anymore...logic and reason do not apply anymore. Greed and corruption rules our politics.

This thread is perfect for FHOP...how do we move it there...

 

I'm no fan of the Bush Administration, but being open minded, I must point out when he actually does something right. In his speech today, as quoted from CNN on-line:

"Bush also urged Congress to take back some of the billions of dollars in tax incentives it gave energy companies, saying that with record profits, they don’t need the breaks. And he urged lawmakers to expand tax breaks for the purchase of fuel-efficient hybrid automobiles. "

Not bad, but I'm still a Bush hater...

 

:angry: If I wanted to participate in a POLITICAL forum... I would sign-in to a POLITICAL forum.

Take it where it belongs and leave PriusChat to Prius discussions.

MODERATOR... time to delete this thread.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(beeri @ Apr 25 2006, 09:41 AM) [snapback]244880[/snapback]</div>

Don't want to get too political, I'll save that rant for some other place

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Charles Suitt @ Apr 25 2006, 01:07 PM) [snapback]244890[/snapback]</div>

Then don't participate. Ignore this thread and move on.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mardikes @ Apr 25 2006, 12:05 PM) [snapback]244870[/snapback]</div>

It's a travesty, yes. The holy grail of business is the elusive hydrogen fuel cell so that everyone can just keep on consuming without worrying about those pesky tree hugger and national security issues. They always gloss over the fact that fuel cells were said to be ten years down the road several years ago and they're still saying that they're ten years down the road today. Wth? Meanwhile, hybrids consume far less gasoline than conventional vehicles but business hates them for some reason or wish that they'd go away Things that make you go hmmmmm. Kunstler says that fuel cells are a pipe dream; that they'll never become commercial, mass-produced realities.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mardikes @ Apr 25 2006, 09:05 AM) [snapback]244870[/snapback]</div>

Let me see what Gore would say... "I invented the Hybrid car" :lol:

But kidding aside. Gore would be in the same boat (or similar boat). If he supported the hybrids cars with tax credits, the Auto Unions will kill him (either literially or politically). Why I say? Because most hybrids are not made by American Unions, that is why. How can a Democrat have support without the Unions behind you?... and the strongest Union at that too.

At best, he would probably raise the CAFE and call it a success.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mardikes @ Apr 25 2006, 02:32 PM) [snapback]244951[/snapback]</div>

One statistic that I have heard repeated several times (I don't know for certain that it is true, but it sounds reasonable) is that if the CAFE standards were increased by 7 mpg, we could totally eliminate imports of oil from the mideast. As the car we all drive demonstrates, the technology is already here to enable that goal to be attained- the carmakers just wouldn't be able to sell as many SUVs

 

Sounds to me like GW was picking things out of mid-air...
...such as Hydrogen, 40 miles on electricity only, etc.
Whoever the president is will not be able to change America's mind about wanting bigger, faster cars and SUVs. American car manufacturers certainly arent helping.

 

I will give credit to Bush for wanting to take off the production limitation on hybrid tax credits. However, the credit should be extended to all cars getting over 40 mpg.

However, Bush either doesn't understand hydrogen or just wants to avoid the problem by talking about hydrogen. Hydrogen will never solve our energy problems and may just make them worse.

But what about higher CAFE standards and lower speed limits. Bush will never do what needs to be done.

 

You know American pride. They will rather die than admit that they are wrong. So I don't see them wanting in on Toyota's game... they (mostly GM) will go along (more like stall) with hollow hybrids until FC technologies are ready.

As for Gore and the Internet. Being a Network Engineer, I am more incline to believe the Engineers that needed better communications were the true people that got the Internet to be what it is today.. that being Bell Labs and the Founders of Cisco (not for what they did in Cisco, but what they did in Stanford).

And the Hybrid muscle cars, I say there is room for them too. As long as we (regular consumers) are the supporters of hypermile cars, that is where the market will be. So far, it is true.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mardikes @ Apr 25 2006, 08:05 AM) [snapback]244870[/snapback]</div>

I justed registered on this forum and this is my first post. I'd like to make a comment that I was surprised to see, wasn't made by anyone else, yet. First some background - I'm Canadian, but I am pretty well aware of the failings and mistakes of the Bush administration - but if there is one thing I give him credit for it is his recent stance on ending the USA's addiction to oil. Wow! This idea coming repeatedly out of an "oil man's" mouth. I would imagine he would need some serious balls to even hint at this kind of policy change, given his background. [I can't believe I'm coming to his defense on this, but anyway]

Specifically, why criticize Bush for saying that future hybrids should be able to go 40 miles on electricity alone? That's reasonable for a plug-in hybrid (in 10 years), which is probably what he was alluding to.

Hydrogen is another thing I wouldn't be so quick to poopoo. It might not make a dent in transportation anytime soon but 100s of scientists and engineers and their associations are busy working on the technology because it does has many advantages - both environmental and geo-political.

There, I said it.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Fibb222 @ Apr 25 2006, 01:02 PM) [snapback]245012[/snapback]</div>

welcome to priuschat!

well, i can answer for me and those around me... the thing is that many of us have come to distrust bush on a very low level. his whole presidency has been an endless combination of half-truths, hidden agendas, and outright lies, so much so that no matter what he says, i simply will not believe him. if he says something i agree with, i have come to assume that he either doesn't mean it and is saying it just to look good, or he doesn't actually understand the matter and is inadvertantly saying something which, were he better informed and simply smarter, he would just not say.

so that why we criticize. because after six years in office, he hasn't actually done one thing i really agree with. and also i just hate being lied to... (like how my toyota dealer lied to me about when i was going to get my car... february indeed! but it's coming this week, so i've cooled off on that. bush gets no such luck.)

hope this helps you to understand the plight of the american liberal.

cheers
sam

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(tstreet @ Apr 25 2006, 03:03 PM) [snapback]244976[/snapback]</div>

I read a good quote today (I forget where), but it was something to the effect that, when the government raises the CAFE standards, Japanese automakers hire 1000 engineers to figure out how to meet them, and American carmakers hire 1000 lawyers to figure out how to circumvent them.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(larkinmj @ Apr 25 2006, 01:52 PM) [snapback]245054[/snapback]</div>

That is not true at all... because Toyota decided 1000 lawyers were cheaper than 1000 engineers too.