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Blatant bias

Discussion in 'EV (Electric Vehicle) Discussion' started by bwilson4web, Sep 25, 2023.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Never forget that Tesla takes trade-ins. So if your EV does not go on cross country trips easily, this is what Tesla people have:


    Yes, future EVs are promised to come with Tesla Supercharger plugs and/or adapters. But today's and older EVs may be out of luck. For example, I found retrofitting CCS-1 to my 2019 Tesla will cost ~$500 for a newer charging socket controller board, small replacement wiring, and the physical adapter. Will your EV dealer even have the option to retrofit the new Supercharger interface?

    In parallel, Tesla is rolling out some CCS-1 to Supercharger charging heads. But they will take time, measured in years, to be widely deployed. For example, in 2019 the Supercharger network had gaps that I had to fill with L2 (J1772) or even NEMA 14-50 charging. Four years later, the Supercharger network density doubled and I no longer have to use slow, L2 chargers to bridge the gaps.

    We are often faced with picking two from: GOOD; FAST; CHEAP. A first EV will teach valuable lessons. If one lesson is 'this is not a cross country car,' Tesla will take a trade-in and prices have recently gone down in addition to the tax credit. Best of all, today's Model 3 is significantly better than my 4 year old car.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    just found a few 4680 click bait drama reads - claiming they shut down production. Seems like when auto production lines shut down for retooling - improvements etc, the same kind of reads happen. But such articles do provide clicks - both from those hoping for failure as well as fan's concerns. you stand at the top of the heap, & you make an easier target
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    tesla offered me the same as everyone else, the bottom end of kbb trade in value.

    and prices has been locked at 42k since i started looking.
     
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    The test line in CA was shut down.
    Most people following the 4680s conclude it was shut down as they are ready for full scale production.
    We should know soon:)
     
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  5. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    By the time I traded in my 2017 Prime, it had joined the set of cars I hated. An engineer, the flaws really rubbed me the wrong way.

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    What was wrong with the Prime??

    I do find that there is a lot of bias in the world of EV's. EV enthusiasts are dead sure that in some 10 years or so all new cars sold will be BEV's (and maybe that is going to be true, especially in Europe).

    But then there seems to be pretty strong reasonings why that might not be the case. The only automakers that seem to be able to make proffitable EV's are Tesla and the Chinese. And with political conflicts, it seems like Chinese automakers may not be able to sell their EV's worldwide.

    So does that mean by 2030 there will be bascially only one car maker? Tesla? Or will the rest finally figure out how to join the EV movement? Or will they push back politically and keep ICEV's alive for as long as possible? Who's right? I guess we'll have to wait to find out.

    And what car should I have my eyes on as the future replacement for the Avalon? (Hopefully it's a stickshift, FWD, PHEV, low roof height, station wagon with pneumatic/hydraulic raising and lowering suspension and factory tow hitch).
     
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    bias is everywhere, ev's are no exception. adoption is up to governments, not manufacturers.
    governments change, laws and incentives change, i have no idea what your next ride should be, that's a personal decision based on what's available
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    • Lane correction nudge went divergent by radically exiting the lane on the third time. Lacking a PID controller, this was very disappointing.
    • Turned on ICE too easily below 55 F. If I select EV, stay in EV regardless of temperature.
    • My work commute was 10 miles each way, 20 miles per workday but it only had a 25 mi EV range.
    • Half the charge rate of my 2014 BMW i3-REx and no fast DC charging.
    • If you ran out of gas and electric charge, adding a spare can of gas had no effect. It required a 12 V, power-ON reset to clear the flag.
    Now I had the lowest trim level, 2017 new, and others reported their Primes did not share these defects. I'm OK with lower level trims having utilitarian interiors. But control laws that shared such defects ... no way.

    At the time, I also had a 2014 BMW i3-REx with 72 mi EV range. It had no lane keeping but it was so good, the Prime became detested, driveway sheet metal 'art.' Both cost ~$30,000 but the BMW was providing more utility.

    Bob Wilson
     
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