Featured Big Corn and Big Oil Team Up Against EVs

I guess bush did setup the ethanol subsidies and big oil loves selling 83-85 octane gas with its octane booster ethanol

 

Well, I see EV's as very similar to BioFuels.
Both require gov't mandates to force it.

 

Trump admin today re-assuring ethanol industry that strong support (mandates) will continue possibly with "minor tweaks". I am thinking Trump had also promised Musk he will support Tesla.
It will be interesting to watch details emerge, but I am not expecting a 180 turn in strong USGov support for alternates.

Trump seeks to quell ethanol industry worry as Pruitt enters EPA

 

The Ethanol subsidies expired long ago.

The mandates did not.

 

Wow - ya gotta love it. That green sliver of pie is catching up to ethanol ... it's getting WAY to thick. More corn fuel subsidies !!! OOPS ... first - more petrochemical fertilizer !!! oh, and more petrochemical pesticides ... do they ferment that corn with coal electricity? Bahh! All in the name of ethanol. Sweet renewable that it is.
What next ... use the corn fuel to reform 10,000psi of hydrogen ?

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That farmer welfare isn't just for ethanol, some of it is to pay a owner of an oil well who owns a corn field to not grow corn.

 

if mexico stops buying our corn, it could get interesting very quickly.

 

as elon said, if the gov stopped all subsidies, it would be a huge subsidy to ev's.

 

horrible as it sounds - cheep corn helps us sell to starving countries. Kill the crop surpluss supply via (even part) more corn alcohol, and more people starve to death. Agro biz - gotta love it.
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Their agricultural economy might recover, and they will stop looking for jobs in the US?

Those countries don't buy our food. The US government does, and gives it to them as aid. Not able to compete against free food, the farmers in that country go out of business, and the country is now hooked on US welfare.
Give the poor in those starving countries the money the US spent on food here directly, and they could buy food grown in the their own country. That what support their farmers, and hopefully help improve their economy so that they won't need all the aid to begin with.

The mandates are for more non-corn sourced ethanol.

 

Speedin drunk 3X over the limit. Stupid musk. Should have had the car run on 20 gallons of toxic carcinogenic explosive fuel. That would have certainly saved them. Oh wait, wasn't it about time for another Tesla fatality/fire? Right now the cars are only 40X less likely to catch fire than a gas burner. Go another billion miles collectively, they would have had to raise safety ratio to 50X less likely ti die. Oh well, that's the statistics. Sorry for the family's loss. But that's what happens when people are irresponsible. Would it have been newsworthy if it had only been a Ferrari or SUV?
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no, there will be a glut on the market and prices will drop, making ethanol cheaper.

 

I can see the book title now, "Unsafe At Any Voltage".

 

It is a crazy world.

My wife and I just completed a 1,000 mile trip in my v.

Noticed darn few hybrids, three other v's, no EVs, one sign for a chargepoint station, no charging stations and tens of thousands of huge vehicles with one driver.

I noticed a 32% difference in cost between regular gas and diesel at an interstate stop. I paid from $1.999 to $2.609 for regular gas.

 

This reminds me of Upton Sinclair's quote:

So basically subsidies are perfectly fine when it's just oil and corn getting them? But bad if EV's have them?

 

only to some people.

 

The irony is that big oil used to be against alcohol fuel because it cut into what they considered their turf. But like they say - "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" .
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