I mean, the guy just doesn't shut up. I watch his interviews, I see him in his committees on C-Span. Who actually tells him that he has a shot at the Presidency?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(livelychick @ Feb 1 2007, 10:23 AM) [snapback]383850[/snapback]</div> Maybe it's his way of saying that he doesn't have a chance and wants us to vote for Obama.
What a stupid nice person thing that was to say. He tried to explain later, but even the explaination doesn't make sense to me. Best case scenario is he's insulting prior black presidential candidates. I don't believe he meant to, but the guy's gotta engage his brain, maybe even prepare a statement that someone smart vets for him, before opening his mouth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(livelychick @ Feb 1 2007, 10:23 AM) [snapback]383850[/snapback]</div> Imagine a man of this ilk actually votes on matters of national importance! How can anyone take him seriously? How about a Kerry/Bidden ticket :lol:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Feb 1 2007, 11:15 AM) [snapback]383893[/snapback]</div> Now you know how we feel having a chimp in the oval office spouting idiotic remarks that make him sound like one of the three stooges.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Feb 1 2007, 11:21 AM) [snapback]383899[/snapback]</div> My thoughts, exactly. While Biden never shuts up, at least 98% of the times his rhetoric is okay. It's the other 2% that is just ridiculous. It's the reverse for the prez. 2% of the time his rhetoric is okay. 98% of the time it's ridiculous.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(livelychick @ Feb 1 2007, 07:23 AM) [snapback]383850[/snapback]</div> “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,†[/b]</span></span> http://www.observer.com/20070205/20070205_..._newsstory1.asp . . . I'm not sure, there are so many fine Biden quotes to choose from. :lol: Besides, if you take this quote literally, what's the problem? Obama is articulate. Obama is bright. Obama is clean. (at least he looks clean) And I guess you could say Obama is a nice-looking guy. Yep, all the attributes the mainstream media needs to work with to puff-up a candidate for President of the United States. So how is it that W got elected and then reelected? Oh, that's right . . . he ran against <span style="color:#009900">“blow-dried candidates in 2000 and 2004.†Right on Mr Biden! You go man. The Comedy Channel “news†programs need fresh material.
That's the one..."clean"? Come on. I mean, to suggest that Jesse Jackson isn't articulate, bright, "clean" is insulting...good looking is pretty subjective. Not that I'd ever want JJ as president, but it isn't for lack of the qualities Biden put forth.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ Feb 1 2007, 12:57 PM) [snapback]383966[/snapback]</div> He's just not the first!!!
The real travisty is that if this exact same statement had been uttered by DeLay or Trent Lott the NAACP, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been banging on the doors of congress demanding those gentlemens resignation!!! (wait that did happen and all Lott did was wish an old man happy birthday, of course that old man was old enough to be in the KKK, maybe even a founding member , and a Democrat at the time to boot!)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(livelychick @ Feb 1 2007, 01:55 PM) [snapback]384006[/snapback]</div> Of course, I kind of like a politician who doesn't have the art of not offending anyone so acutely that he doesn't have to think about it. Are we really being served that well by the slick characters who spend so much energy making sure that they don't offend anyone? Do we really feel that not offending anyone is so important that we put it above everything else? There are so many wimpy, thin-skinned people in this country that we could really use some "being offended" time.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Feb 1 2007, 01:12 PM) [snapback]384018[/snapback]</div> And I'm with you there, in concept. Don't be afraid to say something that people will find objectionable if it will facilitate clarity on a subject and elucidate one's stance on it. But to call a candidate "clean"??!! Not only is that not 'slick' it's just ridiculous and suggests a real lack of eloquence and understanding of propriety.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Feb 1 2007, 04:12 PM) [snapback]384018[/snapback]</div> you can think people like beangirl and marijuana
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Feb 1 2007, 02:21 PM) [snapback]384026[/snapback]</div> Yes but we're such an unforgiving society when it comes to politicians. We denounce them when they <gasp> have the audacity to change their minds as if they aren't human and their thoughts not subject to change. They're human beings so shouldn't we cut them some slack when they make mistakes? Is it really that awful? There but for the grace of god go I, so to speak. Still, politicians live by the sword and they die by the sword. Playing off of people's emotions to get elected can just as easily turn in to a nightmare for them when that same power of emotion is turned against said politician. I don't have that much sympathy for a politician who falters like that but I get really tired of whether some politician offends someone or not as their de facto reason for being elected. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ Feb 1 2007, 02:08 PM) [snapback]384015[/snapback]</div> Yes, poor little Trent and Tom, such downtrodden unfortunate souls treated so unfairly. How can you stand the grief? A genuine travesty.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Feb 1 2007, 02:31 PM) [snapback]384034[/snapback]</div> Genuinely. Makes me so sad that Lott was outed for being the segregationist that he was... I do like people that aren't so slick, I admit. But Biden somehow manages to combine that slickness with stupidity. Maybe it's the hair. I don't think Biden's a bad man, btw. I just can't imagine him EVER moving up the political ladder in this country. Of course, I thought that about a cowboy from Texas in '99, and I guess I was wrong there, too.
Hey Lively and Jack: I'm not commenting on the substance of either comments by Lott or Biden, I am commenting on the difference in treatment that they recieve after making them and how they are questioned about why they made the statements. Not to mention the number of opportunities which Biden has recieveed to try and diffuse the remarks which Lott never recieved, he was guilty of something from the moment he made the remarks.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Devil's Advocate @ Feb 1 2007, 04:59 PM) [snapback]384114[/snapback]</div> It was based on history, I would think. I guarantee you that a complete dossier was run on Biden, and when he had no past record of racial stupidity, people made an assumption that it was just a bonehead mistake, especially when Biden has made bonehead rhetorical mistakes before. So he's (maybe rightfully) accused of boneheadedness, but not racial prejudice. (Even though, of course, Barack did come back two hours after saying it was all right, to saying "maybe not so all right.") So Lott, who said what he did RE: Thurmond, probably had a dossier run on him, too, and it was found that he did indeed have a segregationist past, going all the way back to college. And he doesn't make many rhetorical mistakes. So he's (maybe rightfully) accused of racial bias/prejudice/discrimination/segregationist tendencies, etc. I think you have to look at the substance of the comments and the speakers themselves in order to comment on the public's reaction and treatment of the speakers. And, btw, I ain't defending Biden. I am just showing the difference in the two concerning these statements. I think Biden's a bonehead. I think Lott is just enough good ol' boy to make me cringe inside (like my father when he told me how he campaigned for Wallace, for chrissakes.)
It's the "clean" part of his remark that was so puzzling. Did he really mean clean as opposed to dirty, or "clean cut", or has a "clean" past or record? He definitely shares Kerry's foot-in-mouth disease, and yeah, I wish he would just shut up at times, just like I wished Kerry would shut up. I believe both of them are intelligent, serious men, but maybe they just need to take themselves a little less seriously. It was also a little cringe-worthy when Obama was trying to make the best of it by saying he didn't take the remarks "personally." You couldn't have gotten more personal!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(PriusRos @ Feb 1 2007, 06:04 PM) [snapback]384146[/snapback]</div> And then there are the guys who have nothing to say like bush sitting in that classroom on his little chair when told that we were under attack. Six minutes of DUH! DUH! DUHHHHH!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(JackDodge @ Feb 1 2007, 06:18 PM) [snapback]384154[/snapback]</div> True. But, judging from the gibberish you usually hear from him, his speechlessness at that point was probably preferable to the alternative.
