Another Denier Wakes up and smells the coffee,,

Another Global warming denier, wakes up, tries to cover his rhetoric and agrees that Global warming is real, and there is reason for great concern.

Bjorn Lomborg says he agrees with Al Gore, sort of - Robin Bravender - POLITICO.com

 

I disagree with the premise that the bulk of us expressing concern over global warming accept the notion that there is only reasonable point of view, and perhaps only one solution. I myself have written extensively on the notion that the research conclusions contain a range of effects and ergo a range of potential solutions.

What seems to be true, and increasingly so, is that deniers tend to either ignore, or disbelieve in the basic tenants of much if not all science and therefore discount the climate science research. Those that cannot accept the basic building blocks of the scientific method can hardly be taken seriously as critics of that science. (And increasingly seem to be charter members of the Flat Earth Society!)

The great sadness is that the clock is clearly ticking, and ticking fast to those that can see. The consequences by most consensus also gets more serious as time goes by, and the solutions therefore become much harder (and expensive!) to implement.

If we listen to the flat earthers instead of the people who really know and understand the issues we will all pay the price.

As yet another "weather" anecdote consider my current situation. Last fall, in N.W Ontario (a sub arctic climate) we had record late freeze up, with water that was swimable until mid October. We then had no below zero (F) after January, and no snow after Feburary. We had temps near 70F in March, when they should be ~10F, leading to our ice breaking up 8 weeks early. This past summer was hotter and muggier than any of us could remember, with water temps nearing 85F, (we have never seen the water temp above 75F and then only rarely)

Now, in early October, we are having a string of weather with temps in the mid 70's during the day, down to the 50's at night. Normally we would be about 35F during the day, 15-20F at night. The water temp is currently 60F, where normally it is closer to 40F. We have had one night of frost, usually we have first frost ~Sept 1, and nearly every day after.

So, is that weather? Sure. Is it an example of global warming? I personally think so, but only history will tell. Is it a harbinger of years to come? I think so.

 

And many believe (ala James Watt) two other things. One is that humans were put on this earth to exploit it's resources,, use it up! and two, the end of times is coming soon, so soon enough we won't have to worry about the effect we have on the planet!

Kind of hard to argue science and logic when people come to the table with that notion up front! I, at the very least, like to consider the possibilities if I am indeed wrong.

If for example I am wrong about global warming, the consequences of being wrong, but being proactive now are, cheaper energy going forward, a cleaner planet, greater national security, a boost to the economy etc. What's not to like? Oh, I forget, people are concerned ab out some perceived loss of "liberty", but in fact they are worried that it might effect their pocket book short term, despite the benefits longer term!

 

Absolutely I have considered it. I live my life fully within the ten Commandments. I am as good a steward of my land (the earth!) as I can be, I treat people with the respect they deserve, and all things considered I lead a very "moral" life. With the exception of some of my "liberal" beliefs I would probably pass muster in most evangelical churches.

That said, I don't believe that any God would be a vengeful god who punishes those who live a honest, good life just because they haven't bought into all the dogma and the self righteousness and basic hypocrisy I see in so many "Christian".

I would posit that I am a much better "Christian" than some, even though I don't believe in the God of the Holy Bible.

Let me just add, that I am a practicing agnostic, who believes in the goodness and "Godliness" of everyone, until they prove themselves un worthy of that by their actions.

I guess my broader point is, to use Biblical teachings/prophecy/dogma to debate a basic argument of science is silly. If you believe that because you are a devout Christian then "God has a plan" and ergo every thing you do to or for the earth is therefore "covered" there is no basis for a rational debate.

I have less than zero interest in debating theology with you or anyone else. I concede that I would lose the debate on points since I have so much less knowledge to draw on.

If you wish to debate the merits of global warming issues from a scientific perspective, then feel free, but if ones answer is, "because the OT tells me so" the conversation is over.

Thank you

 

I probably can't get all ten, but that really isn't the point.
It is interesting that so many of them are Shall not's, rather than shall.

Kill, commit adultery,lie, steal, covet ones neighbours stuff, honour your parents, I think there is gluttony there as well. So there is 6 or seven. (all of whom I have more or less obeyed).

What I find as a chuckle is that even those that express to have the ear of God, seem to disagree as to what is the right word(s).

Feel free to carry on this conversation, but I suggest that you might be served better taking to FHoPancakes.

PS. My Native American (Canadian actually) relatives might have a different version/vision of "God". (As do my Buddhist friends) Are they any more right (or wrong) than you,,, or me. I don't think so.