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Amazing car, but far from a new concept

Discussion in 'Other Cars' started by jerrymildred, Apr 11, 2017.

  1. jerrymildred

    jerrymildred Senior Member

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    I really don't know where to put his, so I decided Gen 4 forum since it's the latest and greatest (barring the Prime) of the hybrids.

    Way back in 2004, BobA posted in PC regarding the Woods Dual Power. The Woods was not the first hybrid (Porche had one in 1900.), but it was really amazing and it came out 100 years before Toyota released the Gen 4 Prius. I saw one at the Henry Ford Museum last year and was gobsmacked. What was interesting is that it was developed to bridge the gap as gas power was beginning to supplant electric. The modern hybrids are bridging the gap in the opposite potential transition. I enjoyed reading about it in the museum, but this article gives a lot more detail.
    https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2013/03/21/hybrid-from-a-time-of-transition-the-1916-woods-dual-power-model-44/
     
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    So what's your point? I don't believe Toyota ever claimed to be the first hybrid, merely the best to date.
     
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    Jerry never said Toyota thought they were first. He said the car he referenced was not the first.
    I thought this was a forum focused on hybrid cars. Granted, it should have been posted under Other Cars but it gets more exposure here.
    If that troubles you, report it and get it moved.
     
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    For a few weeks each year starting in 2015 the Henry Ford Museum of American Innovation (it's new name since January) opens the hoods on several of the vehicles in its collection as part of their "Engines Exposed" event. I took the two photos below in February. The first is the Woods Dual Power.

    1916 Woods Dual Power.JPG


    The next photo is a dark green Gen 1 Prius which I'm guessing you saw also. It's a 2002 the same year as the one that I owned before I bought my current Gen II in 2006. Ironically the Prius is parked not far from a 1931 Bugatti Royale which you can see in the background to the left. One of only six built, it weighs 7,000 pounds with a 779 cubic inch inline-8 engine. The Prius and the Bugatti make quite a pair of bookends.

    2002 Prius.JPG
     
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    Never said it did. My point is exactly what I wrote. If someone knows a better place for it, I'm fine with that.
     
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    Yes, I enjoyed seeing both of them as well as the Woods. I took pictures of each (plus more), but didn't get to be there when they had the hoods open. I'd have loved that! Also, got a shot of the very first Bluebird school bus. The company was founded by the grandfather of a friend of ours. I think I'd like to spend about a week in that museum.
     
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    It doesn't trouble me at all. In fact, I had misread his post and duly apologize. I really read it that he was claiming Toyota said or implied they were first. Rereading informs me that I should have TWO cups of coffee before writing posts on PC!
     
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    Sometimes I think I need 3 or more :LOL:

    Apparently, there were 3 other users needing that coffee too, looking at the likes for your first posting.

    Sorry for being so harsh.
     
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    That is really mind blowing that the first hybrid was meant as a transition from electric to gas over 100 years ago. I never knew that. Im off to the wiki article on electric vehicles.
     
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    You're very gracious! I'm not a coffee drinker, so I'm stuck with caffeinated sugar-free soft drinks and a couple good slaps up the side of the head in the morning. LOL!

    And "Thank you!" to the mod who knew where to put this. I hadn't seen the "Other Cars" forum in my quest for a place to put this. :)
     
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    Perhaps you needed another couple good slaps up the side of the head. :LOL: :D
     
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    I knew hybrids were an old concept, but thought the early ones were simple series/serial hybrids that may not have even had a battery.

    Thanks for the info.
     
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    Same design that make Locomotives this day's....Diesel Engine is like Generator and power propulsion is done with electric motors
    Insane torque..what is needed for moving huge amount of weight

    Posted via the PriusChat mobile app.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Steam locomotives actually had the diesel electrics beat; they were still being built into the 1960's. Diesel electrics won out due to operation and maintenance costs.
     
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    WAY OFF TOPIC: I would like to have seen further development of steam. I recall a group some years back was developing a modern steam locomotive called the ACE 3000 (as I recall) It had computer controlled combustion, condensers for water management, balanced running gear, roller bearings, and could MU with diesels. Regrettably, it did not make it beyond the drawing board.

    Union Pacific experimented with turbines electrics ... unfortunately they were so loud they could only be run in Wyoming and rural Utah. Tremendous power, however.

    OK, back to the topic.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Nuclear powered ships could still be using steam engines for propulsion.
     
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    AFAIK, all the nukes are using steam, but I'm too lazy right now to confirm that. ;)

    Maybe. Or maybe I had one too many. It's a fine line. :confused:
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Was trying to be on the down low about the laziness myself.
     
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