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Adventures delivering kayaks to & from Everglades

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by starla30, Jan 15, 2005.

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    Ok, so my friends and I just returned from a wonderful road trip to the Everglades for 4 straight days of backcountry camping and kayaking far from civilization. I'm afraid poor Prius had a HORRIBLE time but I am happy to report that at least my car was not destroyed on this trip (cause it really did go through everything else).

    We left on January 2 (from Western Massachussetts) with 2 kayaks strapped to the roof. And when I say strapped, I mean strapped. No fancy pants convenient car rack for us. I decided I would rather not spend the $400 on a Thule rack, so instead we used the soft foam blocks and straps that came with the Kayaks to strap the two boats to the roof. We were a bit concerned but both Kayaks did fit side by side, top down on the roof so we thought it would work sufficiently for our trip.

    Unfortunately, when this theory was tested, a godawful humming sound emanated from the roof at highway speeds that would be unbearable for a roadtrip. So we taped plastic over the openings in the tops of the kayaks. No improvement. One of my fellow travelers realized the humming was from the straps that stretched between the two kayaks. So we covered these parts of the straps with towels wrapped around them and Prius was now travel ready 2 hours after our initial departure time of 4am.

    We drove for 3 hours and stopped in CT somewhere to discover that the 2 rear foam blocks had fallen off and the kayak butts were resting directly on the roof of my car! I proceeded to pretend not to see the scratches on the roof while my friends produced an extra foam block and a towel to prop up the kayak bums again. 3 hours later, our next stop reveals that the replacement foam block and towel are now gone too! We are slowly polluting the Northeast with cushiony things while our kayaks viciously continue to grind their rear ends into poor Prius's roof. Fortunately, we are prepared with more towels! Said towels are duct-taped to the bottom of the Kayaks and we continue on our way.

    The next stop is the most surprising of them all. The towels are still with us but one kayak has managed to shift it's position from flat on the roof to resting at an angle on the other kayak with one side of the seat opening grinding into the black rubbery groove on the side of the roof. I pretend not to notice this fact and we decide to continue on our way. At our next stop, the shifting kayak has shifted a bit more so that it is no longer resting in the soft rubbery groove, but is now perched directly on it's side on the poor vulnerable unprotected roof. Again, I pretend not to notice this disturbing trend and we continue down to Florida.

    Suprisingly, the Kayaks have completely stabilized themselves and move no further during our trip. Though my roof is REALLY scratched up, I pretend it doesn't bother me and that goes a long way towards it really not bothering me much at all, surprisingly. Oh, and the mileage took a HUGE hit. I usually get 50mpg in the summer and I was expecting about the same in the warm (81 every day) Florida weather but we never got better than 35mpg! A huge factor here though is that the speed limit is 70 and we averaged 75mph on the highway. Around here in the summer I average 60/70mph on the highway.

    So we go kayaking in the Everglades and have a really really wonderful time! :mrgreen:

    When we pull up onshore again, back in civilization, I experience the horrible realization that my key is missing. My friend calls AAA who tell her that not only can they get into the car, but they can make us a new key. I find this highly difficult to believe so I call Prius Roadside Assistance to get their opinion and they tell me that AAA can indeed provide us with a new key onsite. Weird.

    The poor tow truck guy arrives and spends an hour setting off my car alarm. I won't say how since this is a public forum. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work and he comments that he's been doing this for 28 years and has never had such a difficult time breaking into a car. Both he and passers-by (there are quite a few, this tiny island doesn't have much entertainment apparently) comment that the car is too smart for its own good. Eventually he gets in though, and disconnects the fuse box under the hood so the car will stay unlocked. Then he towed the car to my mother's house. He was not too amused that AAA thought he could make a key for the Prius.

    We put the Kayaks on my mother's Camry to bring back to her place. Surprisingly, the Camry is not as wide as the Prius so it is even more difficult to get the boats arranged on the roof of her car.

    I tried contacting Toyota for a replacement key but the local dealership was absolutely clueless about how to replace a key without an original (and they didn't have a blank fob on hand anyway) so I had my housemate send the extra key from Massachussetts.

    Meanwhile, we get our hands on an interesting "handi-rack" all purpose car rack that my dad found online through Prius chat. Fortunately, it gets the job done and my friends managed to attach the 2 kayaks to the roof without too much difficulty. It wobbled quite a lot in the wind, especially as big trucks passed by, but it did the job and there didn't seem to be much slippage. Yay!
     
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    Re: Prius adventures delivering kayaks to & from the Eve

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(starla30\";p=\"63812)</div>
    How much will it cost to fix the damage to the roof of the car?
     
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    I have no idea and I don't plan to pay to fix the damage to the roof of the car. I should've bought the Thule rack or come up with some better solution. I didn't. Such is life. I learned my lesson. ;) The handi-rack was only $60 and worked pretty well. No damage from that.

    If someone asks, I'll just say a gator attacked my roof.

    My house-mates who I travelled down with are really interested in trying to fix it themselves with the touch-up paint. I'm inclined to let them take a stab at it.
     
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    8) starla30

    I have a 04 Prius and just this past July I drove to Brunswick, GA and back Omaha, NE. I drove the speed limit both going and return. Used the A/C set at 74 degrees, drove 2630 miles, used 53.6 gallons of gas, and averaged 49 miles per gallon.

    Now that being said, I did not have anything on my roof to create drag, which in turn will have an effect on the aerodynamics of the car. I believe you will notice your gas mileage will improve once you lose the canoes from atop of you car.

    Ben
     
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    Funny story - a series of unfortunate events...

    I wonder if the gas mileage would have improved if the kayaks had been facing head-on into the wind, instead of tilted up so that they offered considerably more frontal area?
     
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    They were actually facing head-on into the wind when we started. The larger one was shifted back by the wind. This is why I recommend tying down the fronts of the boats to the front of the car to prevent them from slipping backwards. Otherwise I think we would've had bigger problems. ;)

    It's hard to say if the mileage changed due to slippage seeing as we started with 81 degrees and ended with about 34. ;)
     
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    ouch Ihope it was worth it! Personally I'd never do that to my poor prius. Isn't there something you can rent to pull kyaks with? I saw some trailers at Sams Club for sale a few months back. I'm thinking of buying something like that to haul tings around like christmas trees, couches, etc.
     
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    I have a friend in the Scout unit that has a tiny trailer upon which is bolted a very nice wooden camp kitchen that he made, a very nice piece of furniture with multiple coats of varnish, etc. crafted from oak apparently. But I digress.

    that small trailer is avaliable from several sources, such as Harbor Frieght Tools, etc. A hitch suitable for using this small trailer is avaliable from Coastal, this is on another current thread.

    The tiny trailer has tiny wheels, about 10" at most in diameter, a frame that a person builds a floor, box compartment or mounts for possibly putting up kyacks.

    Now, trailering in and of itself is an experience. Putting cargo onto proper roof racks or truck beds is vastly easier. When you have a trailer you have another vehicle, with tires, lights, flats, etc. I have had leaf springs break on boat trailers, tires go flat, lug nuts loosen over time to where the tire nearly comes off, trailer light problems out the wazoo.
     
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    You also must remember that if your vehicle has 15 inch tires and your trailer has 10 inch tires drive slower. If you don't, you will blowout the 10 inch tires. Plus the manual doesn't recommend towing anything with the Prius.


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    Primary language is French?
    75Mi/hr alone will bring down your mileage, let alone dragging 2 kayaks into the hurricane winds.
     
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    Yeh, Cris, you have the language as French in some of those pictures.

    As for gas mileage, I think the Prius is designed to "take a hit" when you overload it, interfere with the aerodynamics or use the heater and stuff. This is on purpose.

    Most cars have only one setting for the engine and that is at full usage. So all the horsepower is available all the time and the excess energy that the engine produces just goes out into space. So when you have one person and no load, you get almost the same MPG as fully loaded. It's not because it can take "the hit" better, it's because it does not have a low horsepower function. You have no choice but to use all that horsepower all the time.

    "Cylinder cut offs" is one way to deal with this problem, and this is where Honda seems to be going. But the full hybrid way is to convert all that excess energy that the car makes into electricity for future use. And if the car does not need as much horsepower or torque at any certain time, the computer tells the engine to relax or to shut off. Thus, with one person, the engine is not doing much work. The computer essentially puts the car into a low MPG state, and since this is how most people drive all the time, ie. alone and with nothing on the roof and no luggage, this is the kind of MPG that we get used to.

    But when we add all those loads, the car can still handle it. It just uses more gas. Our Prii has a brain.

    So it's not that our cars "take a hit" when we add load to it, it's that all the "dumb" cars and trucks out there can't "remove that hit" when they don't need it. The Prius can.

    What a brilliant car!!!
     
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    Prius04, where did you get that bumper sticker in your picture???
     
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    I thought French was more interesting than English. I don't speak or know french. I'd rather have spanish (which I know some) but the options are limited.
     
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    Well, if you are in the Florida area again, let me know. I speak some French, my parents are fluent, though they don't speak it much here anymore.
     
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    Hah! So I'm not the only crazy who goes around with the car speaking French! ;-) It's good pratice! I wish there were more options...Does anyone know what the choices are in Europe?
     
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    Tips on hauling kayaks. On my other vehicles I would get slightly better mileage hauling them bottom down with a cover over the cockpit. They seemed to be more aerodynamic this way.

    The better tip is if you put a couple of twists in the web straps they won't vibrate and create the hum. This works better than taping or tying them together.

    I keep my old van for hauling boats and other things. It only gets 19 MPG but has lotsa room and I don't mind scratches.

    Glad you enjoyed yourself.
     
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    peterri,

    The European Prius speaks English, German, French, Italian, Dutch, Spanish, Swedish and Danish.

    Its voice recognition understands English and German.
     
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    I'm suprised the N.A. Prius doesn't speak/display Spanish as well as French as an alternate language.

    Was also suprised the ship I took a Carrabian cruise in had signs only in English and Spanish, no French.
     
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    The bumper sticker is custom from www.makestickers.com

    They have templates that you can have anything written on. The glue to put them on the car is the kind of glue that is removable.

    They are quite reasonable with one sticker costing about 5 or 6 dollars.

    The "Plug" on the back of the car is a little creation I made out of an old plug that I was throwing away. It's stuck onto the car by a magnet. The sticker is there to get people to think, the plug is there to get people to chuckle.