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Discussion in 'PriusChat Website Questions' started by Mystery Squid, May 2, 2007.

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  1. Mystery Squid

    Mystery Squid Junior Member

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    ...as resident, long term troll, there's something I notice about my behavior as I try to break away from angry political discussion in FHOP... :lol:

    Basically, it's like this:

    There are a ton of great non-political topics in FHOP, but the PROBLEM is, I can't HELP but get dragged into political discussions whenever some eye catching title such as, "BUSH must be impeached like the CRIMINAL he is!!!" appears.

    So, when I go in there, and I TRULY try sometimes to avoid these, you just can't help yourself. It's like an obese person in a cookie store with free samples, you're hand is just gonna go in the jar. ...and I'm sure I'm not the only one that gets dragged in like this.

    So I guess my suggestion would be, if someone could add a "politics" sub forum within FHOP??? It's probably been discussed before, not sure of the what's or the why's behind it, but just wanted to throw that out there, as only today did I notice this particular aspect of my behavior. I truly did want to go into FHOP to avoid politics, but alas my argumentive will is just too WEAK!!!!

    :)
     
    #1 Mystery Squid, May 2, 2007
  2. efusco

    efusco Moderator Emeritus
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    Hmmm, maybe a decent idea. My hesitation is that we have so many forums already and that seems to be beyond the comprehension of many folks as I spend a lot of time moving stuff around to the proper forum. Adding sub-forums requires and additional step for folks to post.

    I like the concept, i'm just concerned that, in practice, it could be a confusing mess.

    I'll let Danny and the other mods ring in.
     
    #2 efusco, May 2, 2007
  3. Chuck.

    Chuck. Former Honda Enzyte Driver

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    For what it's worth, I also like the idea of a forum for all the socio/political topics to go.
     
    #3 Chuck., May 2, 2007
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 2 2007, 06:46 AM) [snapback]433882[/snapback]</div>
    Are you implying that FHOP harbors heated political discussions?

    Wait until you go to an Italian or Greek coffee shop and listen to the locals “discussing†the political issue of the day. The golf war would seem to be paint-ball shooting in comparison.
     
    #4 TheAnnoyingOne, May 2, 2007
  5. Mystery Squid

    Mystery Squid Junior Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Annoying One @ May 2 2007, 11:11 AM) [snapback]433951[/snapback]</div>
    Implying? Hell no, stating as FACT!!! :lol:



    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ May 2 2007, 10:37 AM) [snapback]433921[/snapback]</div>
    that's cool, i would imagine the moving stuff at bit easier, as there would be little ambiguity regarding what's political and what isn't. Well, nevermind, I won't comment, can't say I've had to make judgment calls as such, but I did want to throw in, although it would require an additional step, what better forum to have a form of passive deterrent as such???? lol

    Thanks for considering it though!! :)
     
    #5 Mystery Squid, May 2, 2007
  6. efusco

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 2 2007, 10:42 AM) [snapback]433967[/snapback]</div>
    It's not technically difficult to move stuff...just extra work and it seems beyond a significant number of posters, particularly new ones, to post things where they belong.
     
    #6 efusco, May 2, 2007
  7. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    How about we set up a political forum for good political ideas and a bit bucket for trashing the bad ideas. I get to pick which ones go where. :D

    Tom
     
    #7 qbee42, May 2, 2007
  8. San_Carlos_Jeff

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 2 2007, 06:46 AM) [snapback]433882[/snapback]</div>
    I think this is a good idea, although IMO the politics forum should be a regular forum not a sub-forum of FHOP. Just have it listed right next to FHOP in the forum listing so folks will see it and hopefully use it properly.

    Another site I used to frequent a lot did this a couple years back and it really made the "off-topic" forum much more enjoyable for the users. Occaisionally I still check into that politics forum and it's the same folks restating all the same arguments that have been going on for years. They seem happy, and the people who now get to easily ignore them are happy.
     
    #8 San_Carlos_Jeff, May 2, 2007
  9. Bill Merchant

    Bill Merchant absit invidia

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    What I really want is a simple way to View All New Posts Except FHoP. Now I have to go to View New Posts and carefully pick Toyota Prius Forums, Other Cars, Environmental Discussion, PriusChat Website Questions, PriusChat Marketplace, Toyota Prius Community, and Local Clubs.

    The forum structure of PriusChat needs some gardening. Prune some, combine some, put FHoP in the mulch pile, separating out the toxic political stuff...
     
    #9 Bill Merchant, May 2, 2007
  10. hyo silver

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    Hmmm. Why not cater to Squid's weaknesses and just give him his own forum? As long as he stays in his room, he can make all the noise he wants, and the rest of us can leave anytime. Brilliant. :D
     
    #10 hyo silver, May 2, 2007
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hyo silver @ May 2 2007, 03:04 PM) [snapback]434191[/snapback]</div>
    That's called "global ignore" - good idea.
     
    #11 Chuck., May 2, 2007
  12. jiepsie

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ May 2 2007, 05:45 PM) [snapback]433976[/snapback]</div>
    Imposing forum structures, folders and what not does not work with large numbers of people having to choose from a large number of choices. Different people have different interpretations of what should go where.

    A system that uses tags, where a message can have more than one tag might work better. Add a voting system where the tags of a message become more trusted as more people agree on the tags and you start really harvesting the knowledge of the community. Add, on top of that, a "people reading this thread also found the following threads interesting" function and you're really getting somewhere (instead of recommending any thread that contains the word "Prius" as related). This old forum concept needs a major overhaul and some out of the old forum box thinking.

    Problem: I don't know any forum software that dares to do that, like Google dared to change the way we view email with Gmail.
     
    #12 jiepsie, May 2, 2007
  13. qbee42

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hyo silver @ May 2 2007, 04:04 PM) [snapback]434191[/snapback]</div>
    Put the forum on the B Ship, and once he gets in we can blast him off into space. :D

    Tom
     
    #13 qbee42, May 2, 2007
  14. Bill Merchant

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(lowlander @ May 2 2007, 01:32 PM) [snapback]434215[/snapback]</div>
    Um, have you ever really tried to read a SlashDot thread? Very difficult and lots of good info doesn't make it up to a threshhold of awareness.
     
    #14 Bill Merchant, May 3, 2007
  15. Sufferin' Prius Envy

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    *Question for Danny and Mods.*

    Does the Invision Power Board software package or community have a program extension which would add the ability for the individual user to modify their individual Board Display Settings to designate which forums the individual would like displayed, or ignored, when clicking "View All New Posts"???

    Individual customization would be a universal hit. (Unless someone really wants to force another to view objectionable material. :eek: )
     
    #15 Sufferin' Prius Envy, May 3, 2007
  16. Mystery Squid

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    Can we have an "adults only" section for nudity and pornography?

    :ph34r:
     
    #16 Mystery Squid, May 3, 2007
  17. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Mystery Squid @ May 3 2007, 08:39 AM) [snapback]434642[/snapback]</div>
    I shouldn't have had the mods delete that last porno posting. B)

    Tom
     
    #17 qbee42, May 3, 2007
  18. TonyPSchaefer

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ May 3 2007, 05:25 AM) [snapback]434607[/snapback]</div>
    Unfortunately, either the software does not have this feature or we do not know how to use it. We agree that this would be a great feature.

    I've deleted Squid's Christina post and banned him for one day. The next time, it will be two days. If you think the third offense will be 3, you ma be mistaken because I like prime numbers and squares. Of course, I also like cubes. So perhaps the third time will be 3, maybe 4 or possible 8. The one after that will be either 5, 8, or 24. It depends on the mood I'm in.

    And Squid, if you think I'm kidding, I'm not. Not only will I suspend your Squid persona, I will personally suspend all of your other IDs. I have wasted far too much of my time attempting to keep up, negotiate, and even sometimes defend your actions. When I sit down first thing in the morning to find yet another reported post of yours only to discover that you're once again posting pictures that could result in some suspicious looks here at work, that starts off my day in a really bad way and I tend to start over-reacting with the person who initiated it.
     
    #18 TonyPSchaefer, May 3, 2007
  19. Danny

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    I'll weigh in on Squid's original post and then respond to SPE.

    I can see your point of view when it comes to a Political forum, and have given it some thought (it was part of my original concept behind FHOP), but I have to agree with Evan that the more forums/subforums we create, the more work it creates for the mods. So, the solution to that would be to add more mods, right? Well, then that totally gets rid of the idea behind FHOP - free speech. All of a sudden you have 10 mods with their own viewpoints on what posts take things too far, what is determined to be Political vs non-Political, etc.

    I have been thinking about expanding the "leadership circle" around here, so maybe the addition of more mods in the future who we determine can follow the same moderation guidelines Tony, Evan, tag, and I have established amongst ourselves would enable us to break things down more into specialized forums.

    So, I think the answer for now is probably "No", but we will definitely take it into account and maybe try a test run or something soon.

    Would anyone be interested in being an FHOP "mini-Mod" who would help move topics from the core FHOP forum into the Political forum?

    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Sufferin' Prius Envy @ May 3 2007, 06:25 AM) [snapback]434607[/snapback]</div>
    SPE - the best thing I have found in my searches has been the current "Selectable" View New Posts button. It's not perfect, but it's something. During my building of HybridChat, I've found a "software improvement" that allows people to choose the forums they want to see in their View New Posts listing by going into their UserCP and checking the forums they want. This is in vBulletin, but as soon as I'm done with HybridChat I'm going to start the project of moving PC to vBulletin.

    No timetable yet, but the idea is being worked on.
     
    #19 Danny, May 3, 2007
  20. jiepsie

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Bill Merchant @ May 3 2007, 09:46 AM) [snapback]434591[/snapback]</div>
    I don't think that's because of their tagging system, but because of the way comments are displayed. The tree view is not very easy to read. I do like the way they give users the possiblity to tag threads, so it's not only the originial author who decides how something is filed.
     
    #20 jiepsie, May 3, 2007
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