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2017 Prius - P065714 code after jumping battery

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by beef jiggles, Jul 7, 2023.

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    Well my 3 month old 12v battery went completely dead after the car sat for a couple weeks, un-driven.

    Went to jumpstart it, and I accidentally connected the terminals backwards on the running vehicle. Sparks flew for a second or two. Derp. It's also been raining like the Amazon here for weeks and something may have gotten wet. I've crossed cables before and never had an issue.

    The car started up after correction and runs, BUT it is in limp mode, wont go over 20 MPH and there is no throttle to speak of.

    I have a P065714 (techstream) engine code, and 3 dash errors; "reduced engine power ", "ICS malfunction", "precollision malfunction"

    P0657 is “Actuator Supply Voltage 'A' Circuit/Open.” but Wth is P065714? Does the 14 mean a specific circuit?

    Is it time to send this thing to the crusher or what? I don't even know where to start.
     
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    might be a fuse, if you can find a wiring diagram. there's a big one under the fuse box on older pri, not sure about prime.
     
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    I checked the fuses and did not see any awry. Will check again though.
     
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    No blown fuses.

    Ordered a returnable ECM on ebay. They're all cheap as hell, hopefully not blown.

    I'm shocked at how little information is out there online regarding this code, and also how f'n easy it is to fry an ECM if the backwards jump-start is what did it... How in the hell do they not have that dummyproofed?
     
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    did you check the fusible link under the 12v pos. connector?
     
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    Yes, they don't make it easy to see. Not blown.
     
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    Just realized this post is in the wrong section, I dont have a Prime.

    Apparently fried ECUs are pretty common when jumping modern vehicles, been reading in some towing forums.

    They recommend turning the headlights ON for the vehicle being jumped, as that will allegedly absorb any voltage spikes and can save the ECU.

    We are driving giant cell phones with wheels and airbags.
     
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    It is dummy proof if you have a modern lithium jump pack. They have reverse polarity detection before applying power. Store in the cabin where it is accessible when the rear hatch won't open because of a discharged 12v

    In general the ecus have clamping circuits built in and rarely fail because of this on a Toyota. There are some fusible links that don't look like fuses. Sometimes people pull fuses to look at them and put back them in the wrong spot leaving a circuit unpowered. Finally there are several locations with fuse boxes or fusible links.
     
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    Occasionally, the inverter gets fried, but it’s rare
     
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    Those don't work when your battery is a 0V. Had one, and sent it back.

    I checked the fusible links and the engine bay fuses. The interior fuses don't seem relevant to engine codes, those are separate ECUs.

    My car's previous owner installed some stupid alarm system/remote start that I am pretty sure fully depletes the battery after 3-4 weeks, it has happened before. I know, I know... I need to remove it.

    It's still idiotic that there isn't a method of keeping this from happening, it's only the most common automotive pinch to be in... dead battery needing a jump. It's so easy to cross them, especially when my GX470's wires are black on both sides.
     
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    Hope that's not the case, the ECU was $30 on ebay so throwing a part at it to be honest.
     
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    And used inverters are cheap if it comes to that
     
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    Have you disconnected the 12 v, charged it, then reconnected it? When modern electronics act up sometimes pulling the plug and resetting fixes them. I know that seems too simple.
     
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    You need to apply for a job with Toyota.

    There are methods to keep this from happening. One is a lithium 12v battery with a built in backup 12v battery. In the $1000s but sometimes used in Ferraris and the like.

    If your 12v battery is 0.1v it was seriously injured. A Prius with a good battery, even without an aftermarket system, usually won't Ready after 4 weeks. Most low parasitic draw Prii with age won't go after 3 weeks. If your use case is to leave it unused for weeks a Battery Tender Jr is an option.

    Since we were talking dummy proof I did not mention the force jump option on most lithium jump packs. What some don't realize is a dead 12 V battery has to equalize voltage with the jump source before the average voltage of the two is seen by the car. Effectively the jump pack has to charge the dead 12v battery voltage to about 10.5v. People return jump packs for this reason alone.

    I did not want to mention reading the manual. Toyota specifically says apply the jump source, energize it and wait five minutes before attempting a start. This is to equalize the voltages. Obviously a giant truck battery or 100 amp jump charger may do it quicker. Sometimes a totally dead battery sucks up the jump current so bad you are better off without the old battery in the circuit. It can be shorted and acting like a heater. Again a smart jump box reduces dangers. Some people get frustrated if it does not Ready immediately and try the opposite polarity.

    For me the best option is prevention rather than the cure. You obviously agree. Number one with a bullet: Have the battery load tested yearly after 5-6 years. Low capacity? Change it. Number two for the guy who wants that $185 battery to last ten years: Don't let it sit for more than a week, run parasitic draw tests, fix issues and use a battery maintainer ( low cost staged charger).

    The best prevention is a high-quality AGM battery less than five years old or least load test after 5 and replaced by 8. Who wants to be worried about a 12v battery that normally makes 6-8 years without a peep.

    Even with the best real time aftermarket voltage monitor beaming at the operator, they do not read battery voltage when the car is running, It reads the charge voltage which will always look good.

    If you are a risk taker and like bungee cord jumping, then pushing it 10 years might work. The cord usually breaks at a low level over water. No harm done.

    Have plenty of patience and are willing rely on wifi and a remote server? Have no problem adding another parasitic draw to your car's electrical system? Well sir step up front right now! Consider one of these or similar. Cheap and bad reviews but hey...

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    Personally I ensure the battery is within normal (not Priuschat) lifespans, don't let it sit for weeks (not great for other expensive parts either), know how to perform a parasitic draw test with a $5 meter and carry a $100 lithium jump box.

    The last thing I want to do is reverse polarity jump the car. Or watch someone else do it to me as they connect jumper cables.
     
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    The battery that was ran to 0V still worked for weeks after jumping.

    The Prius does not tell you when the 12V battery is going out, it will still start the damn car at like 10V. The only way I knew it actually shit the bed is when my phone stopped charging.

    That battery was replaced 3 months ago. The 3 month old battery is the one that was dead a few days ago.

    This is a 4th vehicle that isn't very important to me, but I do want it to work when I need it.
     
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    I bought my Prime 2020 two months ago and have a 4 amp Solar brand charger maintainer on it frequently even after two days if the car isn’t used. It takes a significant amount of time to bring it to full charge, hours. I started doing this to my 90’s Toyota truck too which also slowly depletes the 12 v. In an effort to not buy a new battery as often. I measured about 200 ma parasitic loss on the truck with a clamp meter. It has a size 24f battery, larger than a Prius. I guess that’s about 4.8 amp hrs per 24 hours discharge. Have to check it again to make sure drain number is right.
     
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    Yeah
    A small factory solar panel to keep the 12v battery topped off would be a good idea. I'd buy one if it were a permanent install, and was a flexible sticky-back panel.

    Another fun fact;

    Hyuandai hybrid models have a relay you can manually enable to start the car with the traction battery if the 12v battery dies. How has Toyota not done this yet?
     
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    i've read about that, but no reviews if it is worthwhile
     
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    Update on the car: I disconnected the 12V battery for 20 minutes just to see what happened. No change.

    I did notice that the energy monitor is not working at all, in drive or reverse.

    When I first started the car it would not go over 5 MPH.

    A local hybrid shop mentioned possible inverter fry, not sure what that would have to do with the lack of voltage at the throttle, but it might explain the lack of energy metering.

    They also mentioned possible fuses near the traction battery, I cannot find any references to these online.
     
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    maybe some inside the case? idk