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2014 prius c front right axle blowout?

Discussion in 'Prius c Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Carolyn M Delvalle, Oct 12, 2023.

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  1. Carolyn M Delvalle

    Carolyn M Delvalle New Member

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    Hi we have a 2014 Toyota Prius C with 58,000 + miles and first we took it to a rust protection place that didn't start the car by pressing on the brake and only started the power and called us an hour later saying the car wouldn't start. They denied responsibility. The place was referred to us through the dealership so we called the dealership and they towed it to their shop. Tried saying the battery is just bad so now $376.00 later we have a new 12v battery installed. So then they tell us that the right front axle has a blow out and is leaking grease. Is it at all possible that the tow caused this damage to the axle seal? Is this called the CV? Can anyone help with the correct term of part that needs to be replaced and do we replace the whole piece or just the rubber seal holding in the grease? The woman i spoke to denied that it could of been caused by the tow. I do not believe that. Ok thank you who ever can help.
     
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    How old was that 12v battery? They don't last forever. Running them flat by leaving the ignition on surely doesn't help matters, but if the battery were more than 6 years old then it was only a matter of time before something like that happened. It would have been nice if they'd offered to simply charge the battery and have you pick up the car a few hours later, but it's past that now.

    The mechanical joint at the wheel end of the driveshaft is called a constant velocity (CV) joint. It's a very carefully machined assembly made from hardened steel and lubricated with a special kind of grease. The grease is sealed in by a rubber boot that has an accordion shape to it.

    If the rubber boot is torn, grease can come out. The loss of grease by itself not terrible. However, water and dirt can get in through the tear, and that is bad. Once water and dirt get in, a joint can wear out very quickly. These joints deal with a lot of mechanical stress, so once they start to wear from any cause the wear pattern accelerates dramatically.

    It wouldn't be impossible for a tow to damage the boot on a CV joint, but very unlikely. Virtually every front-wheel drive car on the market has the same system of driveshafts with CV joints and rubber boots. Most modern tow trucks use spectacle lifts that don't go anywhere near the driveshafts or grease boots, and the rollback aka flatbed style towtrucks are even less likely to cause boot damage. After all, the point is to be able to move cars without damaging them.

    Bottom line: You'll probably never know how the boot was ripped. The most common cause is hitting debris in the road, and the second most common is the rubber drying out and cracking from old age.

    Sometimes it is more practical to replace the entire driveshaft including the CV joint and its boot. Sometimes it works out better just to replace the joint on the end of the shaft. Either way you shouldn't wait to deal with it.
     
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    I thought about this a little bit more:

    When you find a car with a torn boot on a CV joint, one of the first things you see is a pattern of grease that has been thrown out of the boot while driving at high speed. Centrifugal force slings the grease out, and the inside of the fender well gets splattered with the stinky grease residue.

    Here's the thing: if the tow was what damaged your boot, then somebody would have had to drive the car to get the grease thrown out.

    Therefore, if the grease was already splattered out when the car arrived at the dealer, then the boot damage must have happened before the towtruck was involved.
     
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    Thank you so much for your thought out information. Is this an easy do it yourself issue? Can we replace this cv ourselves?
     
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    I would not recommend it for a first-time DIY. It typically requires considerable strength and/or powered tools, plus stands to hold the car up with the wheel off. It's dirty, heavy undercar work.

    On the other hand, there's absolutely nothing special about it being on a hybrid. So don't pay the dealer price.

    Any local neighborhood mechanic or chain shop (firestone pepboys meineke etc) can be expected to handle this properly, so shop around.
     
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    Thank you so much for your advice. Unfortunately, we had to get a loan to fix the car so the price for just the CV is $600 and they found other stuff wrong to. We wouldn't have been able to get the repairs done without the financing option. Amco I believe is the name and they have a 4.6 rating. My son searched it up and it was the only place that financed. Thank you again for the advice. Ill update you all when it is done. Have a awesome day on purpose!
     
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    Hello everyone so it is fixed and was fixed by AAmco. They gave us a list of other repairs they said need to be done. It is a 2014 Toyota Prius C with 58,000 miles and they are saying we need back springs assemblies 4 hrs labor at 140 hr =$560+, parts rear springs 2 =96.78 each =$193.56+upper and lower insulator $20 each 4 needed $40+$40=$833.56 , Stabilizer/ sway bar links on front suspension labor $140+$80 for parts= $220, Front Struts 4 hours labor @ $140 = $560 parts 2 @ $156.99 x 2= $873.98, Wheel Alignment = $89.99. All together = $2,610.00 We did get the passenger side CV axle shaft done @ $494.99. What is the rated importance for each of these items to be done? I know that the wheel alignment will be the first repair since we drive uber and will be done asap. Probably around the 1st of November. The rest of the repairs should be done by when would be your estimate? I asked my son to ask the mechanic to look at our caliper screws and he didn't even ask. Our brakes come to an abrupt stop when raining especially. Trying to lightly and slowly pressing the brake pedal and it will still happen. I know I read where a post said that brake pads will last a very long time although the caliper screws likely need changing or greasing. So I am a little Ped off that my son didnt have the mechanic check it out. So during the wheel alignment I will have it checked myself. My son does not like it when I am more educated on a subject than he is because of ego, so he ignores my recommendations out of spite. Hopefully we will work through this in time. Thank you for all of your assistance. Have a wonderful day.
     
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    Oh ugh. They're piling on.

    It's good that you had the CV re-done. That was important given the ripped boot.

    But replacing all the struts and springs? On a Prius with only 58k miles? Admittedly I can't see your car through my web browser, but that sounds pretty deep into scam territory. You'd have to be overloading the car for every one of those 58k miles, or taking it off jumps or something to need all that.

    Almost all of these Prius cs will make it through their entire lifetime with the original springs, and many with original struts.

    I wouldn't be shocked if you eventually needed a new ball joint, end link or wheel bearing at some point... but those are replace-as-needed items just like the CV joint. And it doesn't sound like you need any yet because they aren't on this list.

    EDIT: I see they did list the end links, referring to them as stabilizer links. So that one is a maybe, but I'm very suspicious of their diagnostics. Are you getting loud clacks and clunks when you go over speed bumps? Sounds that weren't there before?

    Frankly I would thank them for the CV replacement and ignore their further recommendations unless you really think you feel a problem driving the car.

    Good luck!
     
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    Yeah, none of that should need to be done unless the car was in a major accident
     
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    There is no accidents on the car fax report and we bought it from the dealership. Thank you very much for your information. Also are those good prices for parts? Is this platform a good place to get parts for our car? Thank you for all your great advice everyone.
     
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    The prices look low compared to what I know from the best quality parts, and there is no brand specified. So I have to assume that they are not using the best stuff.

    And again, I really think they're trying to take advantage of you.
     
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    The best prices for oem parts are usually online dealers like camelback.
    Some local dealers will match
     
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    Thank you so much!
     
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    Thank you so much!
     
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    I will definitely keep this name is mind. Thank you so much. What does OEM parts mean?
     
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    It's an acronym for Original Equipment Manufacturer.

    Sometimes that means Toyota themselves, but in many cases the original manufacturer was actually a subcontractor. Toyota buys the parts from that subcontractor to build the car and stock their own spare parts shelves. But sometimes that manufacturer goes on to sell the same part directly to the public, and that sometimes results in savings to the end buyer.
     
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    there are a lot of 'black market' poorly made chinese parts sold through reputable non toyota sources, which can be nothing but a headache
     
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    This whole list is “small stuff” compared to hybrid concerns in the future. They are items any franchise can do and make money. You want an independent mechanic who has good references and can work on hybrids.

    You should take it to a real mechanic shop and not a franchise. Ask friends and neighbors, ideally for an independent who has hybrid experience.

    Otherwise take it to the dealer you bought it from and ask them to inspect. Still don’t have them do any of this at least right away.

    Get a second opinion and then shop around unless it’s a good independent with a very small “do it now” list.
     
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    Thank you very much for the information.