Plasmaclusterâ„¢ Concerns

Reading this thread, I'm so confused. Seems the safest thing is just to hold my breath as much as possible while driving. Or stop breathing all together.

 

According to the CDC, .1ppm is the recommended exposure limit while 50ppm is supposed to be able to kill you in 30 min. Lesser concentrations may also kill you but it could take longer (the link below has a 1966 case of 9ppm).

Documentation for Immediately Dangerous to Life or Health Concentrations (IDLHs) - 10028156

According to the Sharp Canada website, their product produces less than .001ppm of ozone. They don't give the rate of ozone production - only the concentration; so the data is potentially misleading on purpose. Also according to the site, Canada sets a safe exposure of .05ppm instead of .1ppm (US).

Sharp.ca FAQs

I'm not sure that I'm all that worried about ozone exposure in a Prius. Even running on 'max' AC, I don't think the car is sealed well enough for there will be a chance for ozone to build to a dangerous concentration level. Besides, who really needs another reason to eat a couple extra blueberries or strawberries?

 

How hard would it be for one of the Forum tech wizards to come Plasmacluster off switch hack?

Here in Dallas one of our main air quality concerns is high ambient ozone levels in the summer. On "Level Red" days, it would be nice to be able to turn of this additional source.

 

Oxygen is highly toxic to many organisms. It is a waste product of plants. It so happens that most animal life, but not all, has evolved to live off of plant waste, but even so oxygen does a fair amount of damage to living creatures, especially in its free radical state. Ozone is pretty bad as well, but then that's the subject of this thread.

Life is about balance. Many things that are essential in small quantities are deadly in higher concentrations. Even water is deadly when you get too much of it in your body. In the case of O2 and humans, oxygen becomes a neural toxin at two atmospheres of partial pressure. Even at lower partial pressures, prolonged exposure can cause eye and lung damage. The central nervous condition is often called the Paul Bert effect, while tissue damage is called the Lorraine Smith effect.

Tom

 

This 2007 document from Sharp Japan describes an experiment in which a plasmacluster device ran is a 40 m^3 room for 38 minutes. They claim the ozone was less than 0.01 ppm ( the canada FAQ site claims 10x less).

For reference, the Prius interior volume is about 115 ft^3, or 3.3 m^3

 

Since none of us drive our cars in hyperbaric oxygen chambers I'm not sure what is your point.

 

I think that Tom's point is quite clear: in many cases what determines whether something is toxic, or not toxic, is the concentration.

In such cases, lower levels of certain compounds may cause no harmful effects, while higher levels can be quite harmful, and sometimes even lethal.

 

Each year, Dihydrogen Monoxide is a known causative component in many thousands of deaths and is a major contributor to millions upon millions of dollars in damage to property and the environment. Some of the known perils of Dihydrogen Monoxide are:

• Death due to accidental inhalation of DHMO, even in small quantities.
• Prolonged exposure to solid DHMO causes severe tissue damage.
• Excessive ingestion produces a number of unpleasant though not typically life-threatening side-effects.
• DHMO is a major component of acid rain.
• Gaseous DHMO can cause severe burns.
• Contributes to soil erosion.
• Leads to corrosion and oxidation of many metals.
• Contamination of electrical systems often causes short-circuits.
• Exposure decreases effectiveness of automobile brakes.
• Found in biopsies of pre-cancerous tumors and lesions.
• Given to vicious dogs involved in recent deadly attacks.
• Often associated with killer cyclones in the U.S. Midwest and elsewhere, and in hurricanes including deadly storms in Florida, New Orleans and other areas of the southeastern U.S.
• Thermal variations in DHMO are a suspected contributor to the El Nino weather effect.

 

aww You should have waited a bit. Most people are sleeping.

 

Good one

 

potential prius buyer leaning towards 2010 III or IV. the plasmacluster is not something i prefer. the link given earlier about camry hybird had useful arguments from both sides.. ...people may not have issues in newer cars but what happens after 4-5 yrs of use. wish the dealers have a way of removing it or disabling it...any 2010 owners who were able to disable it?

 

This youtube show a way to shut it off YouTube - ‪Camry Ozone Generator Shutoff‬‏ would appreciated it if someone can verify that for me. I have bad asthma and can't have ozone around me. For those who aren't certain about the danger of Ozone here are some links I got from health care provider because of my Asthma: Ozone - Good Up High Bad Nearby | Air Quality Planning & Standards | Air & Radiation | US EPA Ozone Generators that are Sold as Air Cleaners | Indoor Air | US EPA

 

Whatever floats your boat. Personally, I love the stuff and imbibe about a liter of the full strength stuff daily. :attention:

 

I have generated ozone for research applications, and I've accidentally breathed a fairly high concentration about 30 years ago (nasty, coughed for days). I've worked around high voltage systems which tend to generate ozone via coronal discharge.

I know what ozone smells like, and I have a very sensitive sense of smells. If the Plasmacluster in my car generated any significant amount of ozone, I'd know it.

BTW, humans can detect ozone at 0.01 - 0.05 ppm, which is 2 - 10 times lower that OSHA long-term exposure limit levels of 0.1 ppm.

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Leave us not also forget about the deadly dihydrogen monoxide that is permeating our entire planet! It is the most persistent solvent of any chemical known to man!
:madgrin:

 

The initial post was made 2-1/2 years ago. Just PM the OP and see if he/she is still doing OK....
Of course his/her last post was over six months ago.....you don't think..... (*)

 

Bleached white bones, dessicated, crumpled over the steering wheel. The deadly Prius strikes again.

Tom

 

LOL!
I guess they're still mad about those bombs.

 

I thought I'd mention that those switches on the doors are to open the windows.