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2001 HV Battery ECU & possibly battery pack

Discussion in 'Generation 1 Prius Discussion' started by greenbubba, Jun 9, 2009.

  1. greenbubba

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    Sorry for the monologue but I wasn't very comfortable with Toyota Dealer's experience with my 2001 Prius. Haven't had any issues other than driver door automatic lock. Purchased w/ 43,000 m and now has 115,000. We had to jump start it two weeks ago after my daughter left the interior overhead on overnight. I only mention this as the owners manual has very specific instructions regarding a jump start & when disconnecting cables I'm pretty sure my wife did not remove clamps in reverse order as per manual.

    So the real issue is the dreaded red triangle with exclamation point (master warning light) comes on just as i get on the interstate for a 4 hr trip. The manual is at home and the car is running fine so I keep driving and call to see if my wife can tell me what the warning lights indicate and get the phone number of Toyota Dealer Service. By this time I've turned on the radio and the display screen has another warning with an exclamation point through car outline. Turns out this is the hybrid warning light and the local service dept. tells me to take to dealer ASAP. During the drive I also notice the cruise control is not working and my cell phone charger seems to be making my black berry go nuts.

    All that seems to make sense with the dealer's diagnosis of needing a "HV Battery ECU Replacement". From what I read the ECU is kind of the brain stem for everything electric. According to shop receipt the vehichle has PO 3115 Code. The shop said I may also need a new HV battery, but they would have to remove the battery to check for corrosion and by now its 15 minutes until closing and they don't have the parts anyway. I drove the 45 minutes home and small trips the past two days with no issues. In fact the gas engine still cuts off when I expect it to. I should add that it seems like the gas kicks on a little quicker than when I bought it, but I just figured even rechargeable batteries lose some holding power with age.

    Just wanted to check if this all sounds kosher. Dealer said the battery pack would be $2900 for the part, and I think a few hundred for the HV ECU. Also, if it turns out the HV battery is gone are there any other after market options I should consider. Do I have to replace with NiMH as original or can you switch to Lithium. I'm comfy replacing a battery, but haven't really worked on my own car since electronic egnitions became the standard. I'll do a quick search, but assume the plug-in retrofit option is still quite expensive.

    Thanks, CB
     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    DTC P3115 points to a traction battery current sensor malfunction. I no longer have my Classic repair manuals, having sold my 2001 last year. If you want to invest $15 in techinfo.toyota.com you can access the repair manual for your model year and look up the troubleshooting associated with that DTC.

    I am not aware of aftermarket alternatives for the Classic battery including a plug-in option.

    Good luck.
     
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  3. greenbubba

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    Got 2nd diagnosis Friday at local dealer. Weird thing happened the day before when HV warning lights went out and cruise control began working again. Dealer says I need entire battery and that replacing only damaged cells could lead to malfunction in other battery cells. They only recommend full replacement.

    Friday's codes were P3000 batt control sys malf... infor 2 =123 Detail 2 = 123 also
    P3006 batt levels unusually different

    Seems odd - perhaps time to invest in code manual. Strikes me that battery control system malfunction could lead to second reading.
     
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    Yes, DTC P3006 means that at least one module pair is producing a different voltage level compared to the other module pairs. My 2001 produced that DTC when its traction battery failed under warranty.

    It is possible that P3006 might be an artifact. The way to prove this would be to open up the battery case and measure the voltage produced by each of the 38 modules.

    If you find a module producing less voltage than the others, that is strong evidence that module is dead. However this is not a DIY activity unless you are comfortable dealing with high voltages and currents that have the potential to kill.
     
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    I'm facing the replacement of my '02 Prius's HV battery as well. My repair rep says that I have leaking cells and that Toyota doesn't replace cells anymore; they don't carry the parts. The Toyota Customer Relations Department claims they never were able to replace the cells although my repair rep confirmed that the Gen1 battery had replaceable cells.

    Does anyone have more detail on this?
     
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    All versions of the Prius after the Original (NHW10) have modular batteries, made up of 38 (Classic)/28 (hatchback) 7.2V modules for a total of 273.6V/201.6V.

    For best performance and life, the cells in a battery should be closely matched. Over time, the cells that are weakest tend to get weaker and eventually the cells diverge too far with the risk of developing an internal short. This is why the Prius does not permit too much divergence in cell voltage (the P3006 code) - this seems to be the most common problem for old batteries.

    Replacing modules is possible but I don't think it's a particularly good idea, because it will be very hard to match them to the aged modules in the battery. Brand new modules will always start to damage those around them. This may be why Toyota only sells complete batteries.

    You can still buy a whole new 38-module battery but it's expensive. Some people have built replacement Classic batteries out of two hatchback batteries (to get enough modules) from crashed cars, but again I think you're going to get module mismatch problems.

    There was a battery resealing special service campaign that should have been done on your car - there should be a sticker on the driver's doorsill to say that this was done. I'm not sure if Toyota would honour that programme at this stage, though.
     
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    Mike,

    I found out about that Special Service Campaign while my car was in the shop. I asked the service rep about it based on my VIN number but he said it didn't apply to my vehicle. I get it back today and will be checking myself; I don't think the service rep put too much effort into it.

    I've requested my old battery back so I could take a look at it. Anybody got sources who would be interested in purchasing an old battery with a few bad cells?
     
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    Thanks Patrick, Yesterday evening my 2001 finally started showing the un-driveable symptoms I've read about. Would you say replacing the battery is pack is as complicated as replacing cells? Think I was reading one of your previous threads, and strikes me at minimum something an electrical specialist could handle. I'm considering purchasing a salvaged HV pack.
     
  9. Patrick Wong

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    Yes, the traction battery replacement is not usually considered to be a DIY activity unless you know how to deal with dangerous voltages/currents and have access to the repair manual info. Should you care to research the battery replacement process, I suggest you download the relevant repair manual sections at techinfo.toyota.com

    The module replacement process requires disassembly of the battery, so this is more involved than the process of swapping out battery assemblies.

    If you buy a salvage battery it may or may not come with the traction battery ECU and the system main relays. If not then you will have to transfer those components from the original to the replacement battery case.
     
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