Gas is creeping up again.....

havent heard much from him since GM announced the dealers that were closing. maybe he too busy filling out applications at Ford and Toyota??

the only thing that matters is that diesel has more power, so it goes farther, hence its ability to command a higher price. cost to market never did play a part in the retail price. if that were the case, microprocessors would be 3 for a buck.

first diesel car i ever saw was in Ft. Greeley, Alaska in 1968. and even back then, diesel was more expensive than gas

great points here. unfortunately, oil will not die out for decades simply because some applications we simply dont have options on to replace.

unfortunately, i dont think we have nearly as much time as you suggest. we need to be in the state of "explosive change" YESTERDAY.

major infrastructure changes will take 10-15 years under the best of circumstances. we are simply too big a country with too diverse a need regionally to come to a greatly compromised solution in a shorter period of time.

for one thing, we dont agree on anything because no one is willing to pay for the grass in someone else's backyard. we are all too self-centered, short-sighted, entitlement-filled and selfish to understand the big picture or provide any sacrifice to our lifestyles whatsoever...

if you need an example of what i just said, take a glance at the pitiful state of our public school system...

obtw...i guess, i should say at least ONE word about the topic...

gas has gone up so fast around here, i am unable to track its price. Thursday it was $2.499 at the cheapest station in town, today its $2.559

 

We paid $2.45/gallon yesterday. I would not be surprised to see prices continue up today and tomorrow for the memorial day weekend holiday and then pull back a little bit next week.
After that, I would guess it will depend largely on the economy in general. As it recovers the prices will also go up.

 

Or, you do what I do, and operate strictly on a contract basis. The best of both worlds, really

Though some days I still need a good stiff drink

 

I was surprised at the local announcement that the largest GM dealership in Manitoba, Birchwood GM in Winnipeg, was on the Hit List. Apparently, size/volume doesn't matter

Of course, once they make it inconvenient to drive 10-15 minutes to different dealerships to haggle, GM will be able to keep the price up. Assuming anybody wants to buy their product.

In a lot of smaller communities, I've heard "well, I'd like a Toyota, but I don't want to drive 4 hours to the nearest dealership to have it worked on. So I'll drive 5 mins to my local Chevy dealership and buy a Cobalt instead"

Hmmm, not anymore you won't. Some rural Manitoba dealerships were also on the chopping block.

I hope it ran on DFA. Otherwise, the owner would have to park it from October to next April

 

he ran it all year long, but will say his idle time on winter mornings probably pushed 30-40 minutes despite being plugged into a block heater

 

Last time I filled up it was 2.34 a gallon. Filled up today and it was 2.65. Thirty one cents in about 13 days.

 

For those who are wondering, "DFA" is the old military term for Diesel Fuel - Arctic. It was like #1 diesel fuel, with extra anti-gel additives. The current replacement is JP-8

I should note that modern common-rail injection diesel engines, especially heavy duty truck motors, operated in arctic environments with JP-8 won't get much life out of the fuel injection components

That's a moot point, though. Anybody dumb enough to attempt to operate a HD diesel engine, or any diesel engine, in arctic conditions with regular #2 diesel fuel, and 15W-40 oil, will quickly find out what happens to #2 diesel fuel in temps of -30 F and colder

 

Thanks, looking forward to the drive...about 690 miles.

 

$2.69 today here.

 

filled last night at a Rebel, was 2.37+ with rewards discount it ended up being 2.17 gallon. Free reward points for buying softdrinks, snacks, beer etc. I suspect this hike is mainly due to being Memorial day weekend, fuel cost have risen the past 30 years every year around memorial day.

I do believe however that 3 dollar a gallon gas is not out of the question this summer.

 

Gas prices are up around here too, but this is Memorial Weekend, and Memorial Weekend is the official start of Tourist Season. The start of Tourist Season is the unofficial start of Price Gouging Season.

Tom

 

something I did see that was interesting.... I was Gas "and" diesel at the same price of 2.29/gal

 

That is odd. I think the reason that diesel was so expensive last year was because most diesel consumers (18-wheelers, delivery trucks, locomotives, ships, construction epuipment, etc) can't really use less of it by choice, unlike gas consumers who can drive their big SUV less and drive their spare car (maybe an old diesel) instead, take less road trips, etc.

Now with the economy in recession the commercial demand for diesel has fallen.

 

There was also the transition to ULSD, as older refineries had to have fairly expensive upgrades

 

$2.60 - $2.75 for regular unleaded (87) here in Sac. Almost where it was when I bought my Prius.

 

On Thursday here in NY, I paid $2.43 on the Indian Reservation,on Friday it went up 12 cents to $2.55

 

Looks like a $.20/gal increase in Huntsville ... of course it doesn't look so bad out the window of either of our Prius. <GRINS>

Bob Wilson