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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Technical Discussion' started by Ilona, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. Ilona

    Ilona New Member

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    I drive car on the interstate (70mph) every weekend. And I get warning lights each time (VSC, Tire pressure and Hybrid System). Gas engine shuts down and I drive only on the battery. I stop turn power off and on and gas engine works again. It likes to happen when I take an exit (slow down). Last time I wasn’t even driving. I took exit and was waiting for a green light on the intersection (for a long time). Only front lights were working when it happened again.
    I took car to the dealer. “P0A37 – Hybrid motor failed. Will need motor replacement.â€
    Sorry, no money ($2898).
    Car was totaled in 2007 with 122 miles on it (front left collision). Took two years to fix. Back on the road Feb 2009. Appr. 1,600 miles on it right now. I love it like crazy, but these warning lights give me a lot of gray hair.
    Almost everything between bumper and inverter was replaced (only coolant tank survived). LOTS OF MONEY. Nothing left for new repair.
    I need to find a way around it. I could use some help. I am not an expert, but last time when I overheated engine (Jeep Cherokee 95), I had to replace water pump, not the engine. So why they want me to replace motor, not the part which caused overheating?
    Maybe dealer is right, but I am still suspicious. He kept telling me for two years that I had to buy new engine harness. I bought only one housing and car drives (so far J).
    Can this error code by triggered by something else than malfunctioning sensor in the hybrid motor? I assume dealer checked transaxle fluid level when he decided that electric motor caused the problem.
    I would hate to find out (after paying for the part and the installation), that the problem was caused by – for example – air in the cooling system.
    Any ideas will be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. V8Cobrakid

    V8Cobrakid Green Handyman

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    does your stat have lemon laws? standard warranty for hybrid components are 8 years or 100k miles.. many states, like california, offer 10 year 150k warranty on hybrid components.

    (so.. it's under warranty?)

    air in the cooling lines could cause huge problems. I've heard many complaints that it takes Toyota to bleed the system.. or a hard core DIYer
     
  3. Patrick Wong

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    I understand that your car has a salvage title; hence you have no manufacturer's warranty. If the wiring harness is suspect, its hard to say whether the DTC that was logged is legitimate or not.

    Certainly you would want to rule out the possibility that the transaxle is overheating due to insufficient coolant. Check the reservoir to see that it is at the full mark, and listen to the sound of the inverter coolant pump (near the driver's headlight) when the car is IG-ON to see whether you hear air bubbles or not. The pump sounds like an aquarium pump; if you don't hear bubbles then this system should be OK.

    If in fact the transaxle had failed, it is possible to purchase a salvage unit for $700 plus shipping; however you would have to find an independent mechanic willing to install it.
    prius transaxle, All matching items for sale.

    Once you've satisfied yourself that the coolant is OK, then you'll also want to verify that the transaxle ATF is at the proper level. To do this, you'll have to raise up the car so that it is level, and remove the transaxle fill plug using a 24 mm socket. Insert a finger into the hole and verify you can feel ATF at the bottom of the hole. If so, then the level is OK.

    Unfortunately you've learned that a salvage Prius can be a very bad investment. Good luck.
     
  4. Ct. Ken V

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    No, V8Cobrakid,

    Ilona's Prius is NOT under warranty. Yeah, it's only a 2007 with only 1,600 miles on it, but if you re-read his post look at the 8th line. You'll see that his Prius was totalled, so in Toyota's eyes it no longer has any warranty (for a totalled/salvaged vehicle).

    Ken (in Bolton,Ct)
     
  5. dogfriend

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    The service manual is pretty grim for this code.
     

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    richard schumacher shortbus driver

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    Oh, lordy. If only they would ask here before buying a salvage.
     
  7. Mike Dimmick

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    When you drive without the engine available (e.g. out of fuel), the system allows more power through the motors as a 'limp to dealer' mode. You should not run the car extensively like this. As you found, it can harm the transaxle. Apart from anything else, the transaxle fluid is circulated with an oil pump driven by the engine. (The shaft runs through the hollow driveshaft of MG2.)

    Code P0A37 is simple. Either the motor overheated, or the motor temperature sensor failed. Given you're driving without the engine available, I suspect the former. The temperature sensor is embedded within the motor unit which is sealed, so the whole thing needs replacing even if it is just the sensor that failed.

    The MG2 motor can be replaced separately, but the only documented example was torturously slow as they couldn't get hold of the correct bearing load shims. The dealers will almost certainly fit an entire new transaxle.

    'Check engine' lights are not a suggestion. If they light up, there's usually something seriously wrong with the car. Get them checked out ASAP.
     
  8. Ilona

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    Yes, we have lemon law, but it does not apply to this car.
    Thanks anyway.
     
  9. Ilona

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    I know this page. Except mine suggests possible problems whith transaxle as well.

    Thank you very much.
     

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    Then it would not be a challange, I would not have a feeling of accomplishment at the end of this hell, and I would not have a privilage to chat with such a knowledgable and nice people like you.
     
  11. dogfriend

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    My only thought is that if you thought that it was actually the sensor that is bad, and not an overheating problem with the transaxle, you might be able to fool the ECU by intercepting the sensor signal and substituting a resistance that the ECU would interpret as the correct temperature. However, I don't know what that value would be.
     
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    it might not be bad , being that you said it was in a front-left collision the plug located on the electric motor behind the radiator (if your in front of the car ) might be crushed or damaged, the harness wire could more likely be the problem.
     
  13. Ilona

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    1900 miles later...
    wiring going to the water pump (the hybrid system one) "was not there". Reattaching it solved the problem.
    Thanks for everything!
     
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    Hello Ilona:

    Thanks for reporting back here with your success. We celebrate with you! :tea:


    Best wishes,