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Everything you thought you knew about sharks is wrong!

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  1. daniel

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    Everything you thought you knew about sharks is wrong. Everything.

    Sharks are not man-eaters. They are not vicious. They are not even particularly dangerous to people. In fact, more people are killed by coke machines than by sharks! There have indeed been people killed by sharks, almost always in very murky water when the shark (which hunts by sight) could not see the person clearly, and often when the person's activity made him appear particularly like a seal or other common shark prey. A surfer on a surfboard, seen from below, looks very much like a seal.

    Sharks have been on Earth for 200 million years (long before dinosaurs) but in recent years 90% of their numbers have been killed by people who catch them, cut off their fins for the Chinese shark-fin market, and toss them back in the sea to die. While the widespread (and unfounded) public fear of sharks is not particularly responsible for this trade, it is probably responsible for the lack of public outcry against the devastation of this beautiful class of animals.

    The film Sharkwater (available from Netflix here, or Amazonhttp://www.amazon.com/dp/product/B0013D8LHW?tag=priuschatcom-20 documents this. The film has rather too much about Sea Shepherd's battle with shark poachers, but does document the NOT-dangerous nature of Sharks. Yes, they have very scary jaws with lots of teeth, and if you are inclined to be afraid of big animals you will find it hard not to be very scared of sharks, but the facts give the lie to our emotional response to them.

    The captain of the dolphin boat I was on these last two weeks in The Bahamas has been running shark-swim trips for 20 years, bringing groups of people to swim with sharks (both scuba diving and snorkeling) and has never had a single incident of injury to a person from a shark in all that time.

    P.S. Swimming with Dolphins was, as always, wonderful, though wintertime water temperature was pretty chilly for me. I had to use a wet suit. But it was better than staying home with all the snow here in Spokane. I probably won't go back to The Bahamas in winter.

    EDIT: In retrospect (1/19/09) my thread title is wrong, as many folks here were already aware of the truth about sharks. I cannot change a thread title, but I apologize to those of you who did know.
     
  2. eagle33199

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    But really, isn't that just how we are? In general, people don't get upset about the crap people do to predators - we care much more about the cute, cuddly prey.

    That said, i completely agree with you - what you describe with the shark fins is cruel in the extreme, and shouldn't be forced on any living animal.
     
  3. daniel

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    It's not just the cruelty. It's the near destruction of an entire class of species. At this rate, sharks could go extinct in a relatively short time.
     
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    Sorta like.....wolves.
     
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    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Yes. But I think a lot of people know that wolves are not a threat to people. Most people are completely uninformed about sharks.
     
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    Even if it were common knowledge sharks weren't a threat, do you think the Chinese would give a damn about them becoming extinct?

    Humans are so funny. Look at the middle ages, where they blamed the plague on witches, and killed an uncountable number of cats "because they consort with witches", when in reality the cats would have killed the rats which carried the fleas which caused the plague, and thus if science prevailed over superstition, millions of lives would have been saved. Hey, that sounds familiar.
     
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    Actually, though I don't have the web site immediately at hand, an outfit has been doing shark publicity in China, enlisting celebrities, athletes, etc., and their polling has concluded that Chinese who have seen the publicity report that they were previously unaware of the decimation of sharks, and many of them say they will no longer eat shark fin soup.

    What you say about cats and the plague is true, and is a powerful indictment of the nefarious effect of religion. But education in China about sharks is beginning to change people's behavior. So, yes, it appears that the Chinese, when they understand the issue, are indeed concerned about the survival of sharks.
     
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    I've watched enough "Shark Week" on the Discovery Channel to know that sharks are not a threat and about finning.
     
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    This type of sickening harvesting by poachers is a problem for so many species. I remember watching the extras on one of the recent BBC documentaries (might have been Planet Earth) in which the film crew originally wanted to capture the migration of the Saiga Antelope near Mongolia for one of the episodes. When doing preliminary research and filming though they found that herds - which had once been vast - had lost nearly 90% of their population since the early 1970's due to poaching for the antelopes' horns (which are supposedly a prized ingredient in traditional Chinese "medicine"). The crew had to switch to a different species/location altogether for that segment (I think it was reindeer in Northern Canada but I don't remember exactly).
     
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    Ahem. All fine and good about the finning and all but sharks aren't cuddly.

    I live in Fl. People do get eaten by sharks, even more people get chewed up and spit out. It just not always big news.
     
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    Now will somebody tell them about tigers, rhinos, etc.?
     
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    True. However reporting of shark attacks in the media is dependent on the news cycle. There was a rash of shark attack coverage in 2004 though total attacks were lower than average.

    The ISAF maintains a database of shark attacks worldwide. In 2007 71 people were attacked by sharks and 1 person died.

    ISAF Statistics for the Top Ten Worldwide Locations with the Highest Shark Attack Activity Since 1990

    All of these thing are more likely to kill you than a shark:

    Lighting Strikes (Average 39.7 per year in costal states vs 0.5 shark deaths)
    Tornados (In 2007 Tornados killed 21 Floridians, Sharks 0)
    Bicycles (In 2007 121 Floridians died riding bicycles)

    Collapsing Sand Holes!! From 1990 to 2006 16 people died digging sand holes on the beach while only 11 people were killed by sharks in that period!

    Average fatalities by animals in the US:
    Deer ------------------ 130
    Dogs ------------------- 18
    Snakes ---------------- 15
    Mountian Lions ------- 0.6
    Sharks ---------------- 0.4
     
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    Logic and facts have a difficult time overcoming primal fear and bad publicity.

    Look how long it's taken the wolf people to undermine the brainwashing of Little Red Riding Hood, etc. re: wolves eating people.

    And ranchers still put out traps, poison them and....shoot them from helicopters. Despite any science to the contrary, wolves contribute to healthy prey herds and keep the mouse population down. (Anyone want to do a Mowat with a blender? Bleeech.)

    I do think the conservationists have it easier with the wolf, since they do look and act so much like dogs.

    The shark people have Jaws to contend with.
     
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    Is "cuddly" the criteria for whether species should be preserved? I agree that with those teeth, "cuddly" is not a word I'd apply to sharks. But they are beautiful.

    Don't forget those coke machines! They also kill more people than sharks!

    Yep. That film did more to generate fear than perhaps anything else. Interestingly, Peter Benchley is reportedly sorry that his book and film have had such a negative effect on this important member of the marine ecosystem.
     
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    How true what you say about Sharks... the only reason that they have a bad "rep", is because they have killed people, but mostly because they thought it was their natural prey, and because, they are scary looking as all hell, face it, would you want to be close to something that has eyes that look like they are evil and have no soul? It is pure ignorance and fear on most people's part, as they know nothing of this magnificent creature. I will not lie, I personally would not want one of these getting too close to me, but I would not kill it simply because I fear it or dislike it... But, that can be said for a snake or a crocodile as well... I like this thread. I think that it is time that someone actually knows what they are talking about with Sharks and the fear and ignorance of people who know nothing about them.
     
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    And they probably get eaten, bitten and spit out because the shark thinks that the human is their natural prey... Sharks will spit out a human in most cases once they realize it is not their natural food...I am no longer afraid of this magnificent creature, it is a shame that this species is being wiped out...I wish I could get a chance to swim with them, and yes, I am just about crazy enough to do it too.
     
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    Were you able to swim with them? What was the experience like? Do you have pictures of this? If you did do this, how lucky you are! Thank you for being concerned about Sharks... just because they look scary, and do bite or kill a human once in awhile, does not mean that they are evil.. they have such a bad reputation because they look scary.... I would love to experience swimming with them... Finning is a horrible practice... I wonder how the people would feel if we took away their ability to stand upright? Thank you again!
     
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    Personally I prefer my shark blackened, with a nice dredge of Cajun spice on a super HOT cast iron skillet about 2 or 3 minutes per side, and of course a couple of cold beers to wash it down.

    Sharks should be eaten by man, not vice versa!!!

    73 de Pat KK6PD
     
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    ~~~sadly shakes my head~~~
     
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    I just returned from two weeks swimming with dolphins. While on the dolphin boat we were shown the documentary Sharkwater, mentioned above. The owner/captain of the boat told us of his shark trips. So it was only on this trip that I learned about sharks. I definitely plan on going on his next shark trip (tentatively planned for November) but I have not yet.

    I have snorkeled with dolphins several times, and have often seen nurse sharks swimming on the bottom, but have never gotten close due to my difficulty in free-diving that deep. On this trip, we saw a black-tipped shark in shallow water at a distance of about 8 or 10 meters, but it swam away and we never got close to it. Having just seen the film the night before, I was wishing it would come closer. A day earlier I'd have been terrified. But the fact is that sharks avoid people and it's hard to get them to come close.

    I have suggested elsewhere that we should have a PriusChat dolphin trip. But I'll suggest now that if there's enough interest we could have a PriusChat shark trip. With a dozen or so people, we could charter the whole boat for a 5-day week. Probably around $1,600 per person, assuming he charges the same for the shark trip as for the dolphin trips. With fewer people, we could still agree on a week and go at the same time, though we'd not have the boat to ourselves. Since he has not yet published the fall shark schedule, an exclusive week is possible if we act within the next few weeks.

    People would have to arrange their own travel to Grand Bahama, which is where the boat would pick us up.

    I am attaching some pictures, taken by a crew member: The shark we saw; some dolphins; me with dolphins; me feeding a sting ray; a better pic of the sting ray. (You hold a bit of squid on the sand, and the sting ray comes along, hovers over your hand, and sucks up the bit of squid.)
     

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