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Hitch-mounted Cargo Box

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Artemus Clyde Frog, Jan 7, 2009.

  1. Artemus Clyde Frog

    Artemus Clyde Frog Junior Member

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    I sometimes need to carry more stuff than I can fit inside my 07 Prius and I was thinking fo getting a hitch-mounted cargo carrier. I see that Thule sells one called the Transporter Combi. (google "thule transporter combi" to check it out)

    It looks like it has a bunch of advantages over a roof-mounted cargo box:
    --easier on/off.
    --probably less of an aero penalty.
    --easier access for short guys.
    --I don't like feeling that I'd have to remove the roof bars (to reduce aero drag and to reduce door seal wear) every time I remove a roof box.

    My concern is that this thing might bend or damage the hitch. Loading this up and hanging a load like this off of the back of a hitch is going to put much higher twisting and tongue stress on the hitch than just pulling a trailer.

    Does anyone have any experience with this or any similar products?

    Has anyone bent or damaged a receiver hitch while using a hitch accessory like a this or a cargo tray or a bike rack?

    Thanks.
     
  2. ChapmanF

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    The enclosed carrier is nice, but at 76 lbs empty it is already close to the maximum weight I would dare hang out there behind the hitch, before putting anything in it. I might want to increase the margin of safety by getting one of the lighter-weight carriers (some shown here) and, if weather threatens, add a cargo bag or wrap a tarp around the stuff.

    The NHW20 Prius seems to have an interesting bracket on the underbody that's about perfectly placed for modding a hitch to better resist twisting under tongue weight. That might help.

    -Chap
     
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    Some people are already doing this.
    M\I recommend the Curt hitch, but it is only 1 1/4"
    The Coastal Tech hitch comes in a 2" version but due to the way its is made you have to weld in another brace from the hitch to some point under the car (I forget where there are pictures on the site somewhere) or the hitch WILL bend, and badly.

    The Curt doe not seem to have this issue with up to about 100lbs total.
     
  4. Mr Incredible

    Mr Incredible Chance favors the prepared mind.

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    I would have reservations using something at or near max for more than occasionally. You could try bracing, but it may have implications as yet unthought of.

    If you have storage for it when not in use, I would recommend a small trailer. It would cause much less heartburn over the long haul (if you'll pardon the pun...).
     
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    I would not recommend it. The car is too low for such a hitch-mounted carrier, unless you can be exceedingly careful about parking lots. The extended bar beneath the cargo carrier will constantly be bottoming out if the lot has a grade to enter/exit, and this would probably damage your hitch, car, and the carrier.

    We have a car with considerably higher ground clearance and this is a big problem for our hitch-mounted bike rack. I would never again buy a hitch-mounted item that extends horizontally more than two or three inches.
     
  6. Artemus Clyde Frog

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    I'm the original poster on this. Thanks for all of the comments so far. One problem I'm having here is that I really, really like the usefulness of this Thule hitch-mount box. I'd like it a whole a lot better if Thule built it as a dedicated 2" receiver. As is, they give you a sleeve for adapting to 2" but that is never going to be as strong as a dedicated 2" setup. Thule does make a similar 2" cargo box (684 Terrapin), but it has a side swinging feature which theoretically adds slop, and adds weight (103 pounds empty for Terrapin, 76 pounds for the Transporter).

    Now, 2" or 1-1/4" aside, we've got the problem that there don't seem to be any class 2 hitches for the Prius.

    One issue that a lot of people (including cargo tray manufacturers) are getting wrong is that, in the case of these available class 1 Prius hitches, the weight limit for a hitch-mount accessory is NOT going to be the tongue weight limit of the hitch. Without a 3rd forward (like the rear jacking point) mounting point, these hitches are subjected to stresses that are proportional to the distance which the vertical load (trailer tongue weight or hitch accessory weight) is from the hitch mounting point. Very roughly speaking, if a hitch has a 200 lb tongue weight rating and the hitch ball is 1 foot rearward of the hitch mounting point, then that would translate to 100 pound capacity for a tray extending a foot further back. It would drop to 67 lb if the tray were a another foot further back. You could call these numbers effective tongue loads. Note that you also would get appreciable effective tongue loads from the aero drag of bikes on a hitch-mount bike carrier.

    It's interesting to note that these Prius trailer hitches are awesomely suitable for pulling trailers. These hitches have extremely high fore/aft capacities (braking and accelerating loads) and the fact that the hitch ball is so close to the hitch mounting point plus the ability to reduce tongue weight by balancing the trailer load renders tongue weight virtually a non-issue.

    Ideally, someone should be manufacturing and selling a 3-point mounted hitch similar to the custom one which ChapmanF referenced in the first reply (sorry, I'm a new poster and this forum isn't letting me include links in my posts yet). This would pretty much solve bending problems caused by the hitch-mounted carriers.

    Right now, I'm inclined to buy that Thule box and use it on a Curt hitch. I can always buy another hitch if the first one gets too bent and I can cross my fingers that the hitch doesn't catastrophically fail.

    --Rich
     
  7. ChapmanF

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    I'm a bit leery of trying the obvious experiment to see whether the first failure mode from excessive tongue load is bending of the hitch, or kinking of the unibody "frame" channels at the hitch attachment points.... :eek:

    -Chap
     
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    I bought this for a bike carrier:
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    It's great for dirty things like garbage/recycling, firewood, etc.

    Theres no noticeable change in fuel economy, because the load is carried in the turbulent air behind the car.

    I've jumped up and down on it, overloaded it, no problems. It's been hit by numerous other vehicles in parking lots and gas stations, with no damage to the car or the rack.

    I do scrape the ground with in driveways and such; but that doesn't hurt anything, it just scratches up the bottom of the carrier and makes a loud embarassing noise.

    BTW: Curt 1 1/4" hitch, Aluminum rack from JCWhitney about $300 altogether.
     
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    Yup, with the Curt hitch, a cargo carrier is possible. I wouldn't hang anything more heavy than a feather (small bird also!) on the Coastal hitch after seeing all the problems with them bending and rusting.

    Go for a cargo carrier that has these attributes:

    - lowest weight you can find (generally AL not steel)
    - look for one with a built in rise of several inches

    You'll be a happy camper!

    ... Brad
     
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    It's useful for strapping down lightweight things like sleeping bags in a sealed plastic bin. Mostly air, so it fits bulk, not weight. I'd never put the ice chest (full) on it!

    That third attachment referred to mounts to what is in fact the rear center jacking point, so you may have a problem with a garage trying to lift the rear for service.
     
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    I am in the process of adding some extra support to the hitch/rear carrier for my 04 Prius. I am going to be using the car for carrying a 100lb lawn mower. My plan is to attach some steel supports from many areas on the body. It's not very thick, but if I spread the load out over 6-10 different areas/bolts, each one should be good for 20lbs or so, and therefore add about 150lbs of tongue support. I just installed the Curt hitch, which is clearly overbuilt. I just wish Toyota had the frame rails extend further towards the bumper. The bumper itself seems to not flex at it's mounting point with over 100lbs of force. It's held to the ends of the frame rails with what looks like 4 bolts that are about 1/4" thick.

    Currently my concern is the stress on the 2 rearward bolts holding the hitch on. They are grade 9, but there is a lot of stress on them when I go over those speed humps they have all over my city (Austin). And of course the frame rails, which actually have this extra mounting plate apparently spot welded to them. That's what the tow hooks bolt into.


    Pic attached is not my car, but to show what I plan to do. The other support could be putting anchors up on the body near the top of brake lights. For the heavy loads, use tie downs here, to the most rearward point on your rack to further reduce the tongue weight via a triangle.
     

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