1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

GM unveils Web site to rebut critics

Discussion in 'Other Cars' started by cwerdna, Sep 20, 2008.

  1. cwerdna

    cwerdna Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2005
    12,544
    2,123
    1
    Location:
    SF Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
  2. bac

    bac Active Member

    Joined:
    Apr 6, 2008
    863
    52
    0
    Location:
    Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    So they say they are not taking taxpayer money via a bailout? If you read the article, the taxpayer is bucking up $100,000,000.00 for every billion "loaned".

    How do you take at least $200,000,000.00 (the least amount they want to borrow is $2 Billion) of taxpayer money, and not call it a handout or a bailout?

    Oh, and at the end of the day ...... it's still a POS GM - that you helped pay for. :sick:

    ... Brad
     
  3. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    14,487
    1,518
    0
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Unless they end up defaulting on the loans. If they really had the ability to repay the loans, they could get the money from the private sector. Their plan has two stages. First, ask for a loan. Second, ask for loan forgiveness. Much easier to do if the loan came from the government and you already have a sty of lobbyists on the payroll.
     
  4. hyo silver

    hyo silver Awaaaaay

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2005
    15,232
    1,563
    0
    Location:
    off into the sunset
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    For "investing in energy-saving technologies", they say. Suuuure. Just a wee bit of cash, to tide them over. No, not a bailout. Not a handout - sure, Putz, we've got a spare 25 billion lying around somewhere and nothing better to do with it. Which is it, GM? Are you capitalist or socialist? :mad:

    What happened to the money we gave them for the EV1?
     
  5. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,498
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    I am opposed to any money given to companies for research. Shoot, give me 25 billion and I can research to my heart's content. Did all that research result in anything tangible? Who cares; that wasn't in the agreement!

    In my opinion, it should be the opposite. When a company develops a product that progresses technology and ushers in a new era they should apply for "research reimbursement." That way, we're not throwing money at a promise but rather rewarding initiative.
     
  6. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

    Joined:
    Feb 25, 2004
    14,487
    1,518
    0
    Location:
    Spokane, WA
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Research, if it's sound, produces valuable patents. Government should invest in research, and when it does, the patents should belong to the people of the U.S., not to a private company like GM, which as likely as not will sell the patent to a company formed for the sole purpose of depriving the nation of its use, as happened with NiMH batteries.
     
  7. hampdenwireless

    hampdenwireless Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 21, 2005
    1,104
    86
    0
    Location:
    Baltimore MD
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    I am not for the current round of bailouts that are happening. That said...

    The problem that is happening in our markets is that the ability to get the loans is disappearing even when they make financial sense. The Chrysler bailout that happened in 1979 is a great example of this. The private sector would not do it (maybe could not do it) yet the government could and did. Chrysler paid back the loans in full and early with interest.
     
  8. Lihualee

    Lihualee New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2008
    5
    0
    0
    Location:
    1
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Good health

    bump up ..