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33.6 MPG and very pleased

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by A Prime Factor, Jan 11, 2008.

  1. A Prime Factor

    A Prime Factor Formerly "I want my PHEV"

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    I had my first regular commute to work today. I got 33.6 mpg and I think that's great. Why? Because it is a short distance (2.5 miles) and my spaceship doesn't get warmed up until I'm nearly there. My previous vehicle was a Corolla, and I'd average 22 mpg for short trips like that. My goal was to improve my mileage by 50% overall, and it looks I'm on track to do that!

    I haven't done any grill blocking or the tire pressure thing and also haven't changed anything about my driving style. Actually, my normal driving style is probably pretty close to what works best in a Prius anyway.

    I actually have two years of gas mileage data from my Corolla, so I will continue to compare to that, and not to anybody else's mileage, or the EPA estimates. Just my own situation. That's what counts, right?
     
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    The Prius mpg is a bit lower but in the summer you should achieve avg 45mpg with regular driving. You can get 50mpg but it's a bit challenging.

    Try out this concept, if you accelerate slowly your engine will distribute the gas slower and you'll achieve better gas millage as you accelerate. Also use cruise control when you can. The idea is not to push on the gas too hard, drive calmly and your millage will increase.

    Lots of people complain about not getting 50mpg, but common. Average cars don't even average 20mpg.

    You'll get the hang of it over time. I average 45mpg and I drive in the city/downtown and on the highway daily.
     
  3. A Prime Factor

    A Prime Factor Formerly "I want my PHEV"

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    I don't think summer is really going to be much different. The spaceship is cold for most of the trip. My Corolla mileage was pretty constant for short trips year round.

    I'm already driving calmly. I've always been one to coast to red lights and try to avoid having to make unnecessary stops.

    Again, this commute is very short, and there's no way I'm going to get 50 mpg on it with a cold start. If I could manage 40, I'd be amazed.
     
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    Try this out, when you fill up your gas tank drive real slow/calmly and then drive normally. the mpg should stabilize slower. also, check your tire pressure. I do not know, 40mpg is real easy for me to achieve but then again I drive a couple of miles a day to work and a lot on the weekends.
     
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    A Prime Factor Formerly "I want my PHEV"

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    And you have exactly the same traffic lights, stops signs, traffic conditions, speed limits, and hills that I do? (hmmm...Chicago....probably not the hills).

    I'll get the tire pressure changed as soon as I can and see what happens. I had trouble getting the valve cap off the one time I tried.

    Again, I'm pretty happy that I should be able to get at least 50% improvement over what I used to drive under the exact same conditions. I can't complain, and I'm not!
     
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    Awesome! Higher tire pressures will help. With that short of a trip, blocking the grill should be suitable in nearly all weather as well, at the very least block the upper portion all the time.

    When it's cold outside, an electric block heater should help even more!
     
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    I'm a new owner and I think your mileage is fine.

    I get ~35mpg and drive in similar conditions to you. I have been using the techniques everyone recommends - don't know if they help or not. I've had my grill blocked for 2 weeks. In my husband's new Altima, I achieve ~18 mpg, so I'm quite pleased with the 35.

    The one thing I haven't done is increase the tire PSI as I'm getting new tires next week. I'll pump the new ones up!

    Like you, I take very short trips in the cold. I work from home, so don't even have a commute. I just drive the kids to school/activities, bank, grocery, etc. - all within 1.5 miles. I live in Pittsburgh - very hilly city. Geographically, I live at a low spot in very hilly terrain. When I leave the house, I motor up a long steep hill on a cold engine. Drive for 5 - 9 minutes and then turn around and head home. Not the right conditions for big mpg numbers!

    Sometimes we must take pride and pleasure in the modest victories.
     
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    You may want to install an EV button and force the ICE to shut down.

    Be careful not to abuse the HV battery as your overall MPG can get lower. I would suggest studying how the computer shut down the ICE now and during warmer weather first. Then try to simulate that during the cold weather. You will get a hang of when the ICE should be off given certain amount of pressure you have on the accelerator padel, etc..
     
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    Simply read the second sticky from the top of the main Fuel Economy page. Since March I've averaged what's posted below... but now that the Temps are between 20-45 F I'm only getting 51 mpg :-(
    And I don't do anything too radical or such that adjacent drivers know I'm doing anything.
     
  10. A Prime Factor

    A Prime Factor Formerly "I want my PHEV"

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    Yes! I have a lot of short trips like that. I live in a small city and don't cross town too often. (This is why I'd love a PHEV.) I live near the top of my hill. In my old car, I would never get more than 27 or so in the city even after driving around all day and having it really warmed up. 33.6 is closer to highway mileage for the Corolla.

    Tomorrow, I zip out of town to go skiing. About an hour drive on mixed terrain (city, straight highway, curvy highway). I've done this drive many times before, but it will be the first time in the Spaceship. I'm looking forward to side-by-side comparisons over time.
     
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    I realized that I didn't use the AC/HEAT in the summer that much, that's probably where the biggest impact on mpg goes, also terrain is a big one.

    on a full take of gas, what is the total amount of miles you travel?
     
  12. PrematurelyGray

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    That should yield something impressive I think! As you've noted, you've got to compare apples with apples.

    I could never compare my mileage with someone from Chicago or even your town...Pittsburgh is that much hillier than Madison. I live in a part of town whose name contains the word Mt. It's a densely populated area, so my driving is start/stop/start/stop. My battery is regularly fully green (which is not a good thing).

    Still, in all, I'm very pleased to get 35mpg. Hoping to get to 40mpg at break in, but unless my circumstances or geographic location change, I don't envision reaching high 40s.

    BTW, I just inflated my tires to 40/38. I had previously thought to delay the inflation until I had my new tires mounted, but ... I didn't inflate higher, because I want to test their performance on wet, cold, brick (!) roads. I routinely drive car loads of teenagers to sports practices.

    Good luck!
     
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    Congrats on your new car, and mileage improvement! Its nice to see someone who recognizes the relative improvement as such and isn't all bent out of shape that they don't magically get 60mpg.

    You seem like an ideal candidate for a block heater if you'd like to try and improve a little more. There are even members in AZ using them, as it gets you through the warm up cycle a lot faster. The shorter your trips and the colder your weather the more benefit you should see. And, now you will get to plug in your Prius! :D

    Do some searches on EBH (engine block heater) for lots of info if you want to know more.

    Rob