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Toyota Tundra in trouble?

Discussion in 'Other Cars' started by malorn, May 31, 2007.

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  1. malorn

    malorn Senior Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mini2prius @ Sep 3 2007, 08:58 AM) [snapback]506267[/snapback]</div>
    Corrected table:
    Jan: 6321
    Feb: 9669: +3348 over previous month
    Mar: 13196: +3527 over previous month
    Apr: 14200: +1004 over previous month
    May: 17727: +3527 over previous month
    June: 21727: +4000 over previous month
    July: 23150: +1,423 over previous month
    August: 18,919: -4,231 over previous month

    ytd through August:124,909 Tundra's sold. on pace for 186,431 this calendar year. Far below even the lowest toyota expectation of 225,000 and a mile form the original 300,000 the plant was built for. Next time check the facts. This is going to be a disaster by toyota's standards. ;)
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Sep 25 2007, 11:00 AM) [snapback]517393[/snapback]</div>
    I _did_ check the facts before posting. Unfortunately I got lazy and checked the facts usingh Wikipedia, which has since been updated with the correct numbers. I guess you're right - Ford and GM can completely disreguard the Tundra. Toyota will no doubt just give up at this point.
     
    #42 mini2prius, Oct 3, 2007
  3. malorn

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mini2prius @ Oct 3 2007, 09:39 PM) [snapback]520986[/snapback]</div>
    They can't give up, they have a huge investment in San antonio. They are reducing prices trying to compete. Unless there is drastic change they will not make even the lightest of forecasts originally floated. Still tracking at about 185,000 units.
     
    #43 malorn, Oct 4, 2007
  4. IsrAmeriPrius

    IsrAmeriPrius Progressive Member

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Oct 4 2007, 05:22 AM) [snapback]521083[/snapback]</div>
    Not as much as GM, Ford and Chrysler are.

    Malorn, do you really expect to convert us to your cause by constantly insulting our intelligence and questioning our patriotism? :rolleyes:
     
    #44 IsrAmeriPrius, Oct 4, 2007
  5. malorn

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Oct 4 2007, 08:45 AM) [snapback]521115[/snapback]</div>
    They are reducing prices and increasing incentives much faster than GM is. You are correct about Chrysler and Ford. I am not trying to insult anyones intelligence, just getting some facts out there. Whenever I mention to a group of people exactly how much Toyota is importing into this country, they never believe me. After I lay the facts out for them to see, they are usually stunned. Through very deceiving yet clever marketing and manipulation of the media, toyota has positioned itself as an American company. Case in point, this article was on MSN yesterday, make sure you read the last paragraph. The worm is slowly turning.

    http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/Inves...ota.aspx?page=3

    Toyota is scared to death of close scrutiny of their business practices/marketing and what they are really doing to this country.
     
    #45 malorn, Oct 4, 2007
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    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    Toyota salesmen don't have time to play on the PriusChat forum, they are too busy closing on vehicles!!
    Having a quiet day Malorn?
    I'm guessing the last couple of day have been busy with warranty complaints.

    Oh did you see on the news Toyota and Honda are running at a loss? Oops my mistake, that was GM and FORD!!!!

    What a nasty company!!!!
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patsparks @ Oct 4 2007, 09:56 AM) [snapback]521156[/snapback]</div>
    Keep waving the american flag....

    Maybe so, but let's not forget one key point. Toyota may provide for comfortable livelihoods all across America. It may even be your own car or truck of choice. It might have even provided you with a scholarship to go to school. But after all is said and done, there is one simple reason why Toyota never has been and never will be an "American" car company.

    Well, 13.2 billion reasons, actually. Toyota earned a $13.2 billion profit in 2006. And where, exactly, did those profits go? It seems there's one very big thing that isn't American about Toyota, and that is where those profits go at the end of the day. To me, that makes Toyota a Japanese company, plain and simple. A company that is now inexorably woven into the fabric of this country, but a Japanese company nonetheless.
     
    #47 malorn, Oct 4, 2007
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    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/...in1414473.shtml
    one of these companies it in trouble, which was it Malorn? Did you say Toyota was in trouble with the Tundra? Looks like they are making cars America wants, how is GM going in that respect?

    Also worth remembering, I couldn't give a rats toss about the US auto industry.
     
    #48 patsparks, Oct 4, 2007
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patsparks @ Oct 4 2007, 10:09 AM) [snapback]521164[/snapback]</div>
    Tell me who sells more cars and trucks in America? Everything is momentum and as I said in this site before, Toyota has laid a big fat egg with the Tundra.

    And your "loss" numbers for GM are certainly not from this year. What year are they from?
     
    #49 malorn, Oct 4, 2007
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    Have they published this years losses?
    This is too much fun
     
    #50 patsparks, Oct 4, 2007
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    http://money.cnn.com/2007/01/26/news/compa...rtune/index.htm
    This paragraph speaks volumes of the more recent state of play.
     
    #51 patsparks, Oct 4, 2007
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  13. malorn

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patsparks @ Oct 4 2007, 10:16 AM) [snapback]521171[/snapback]</div>
    The most recent qtr GM made $891 million.

    http://www.iht.com/articles/2007/07/31/business/gm.php
     
    #53 malorn, Oct 4, 2007
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Oct 4 2007, 06:51 AM) [snapback]521120[/snapback]</div>
    Are we reading the same article? This is what I read in pages one and two, the ones you did not link:

     
    #54 IsrAmeriPrius, Oct 4, 2007
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Oct 5 2007, 01:41 AM) [snapback]521208[/snapback]</div>
    Did they have a fire sale? Because they didn't make it on vehicle sales as you can see from my last post, GM lost $333 per car!
    What factory did they sell? Who bought it?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(patsparks @ Oct 4 2007, 07:48 PM) [snapback]521457[/snapback]</div>
    You and Malorn are quoting numbers from completely different time frames. Your article is from Jan of 2007 and gives GM's 2006 numbers for it's US operations. GM is MUCH bigger than the US and their global operations are doing quite well.

    Malorn is quoting figures from 2nd quarter 2007. The $891 Million profit he is quoting is GM as a global company. According to his article GM's US operations lost $39 million during the 2nd quarter. That is much better than 2nd quarter 2006 though when GM Global lost $3.95 Billion due to their US operations.
     
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  17. malorn

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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Oct 4 2007, 03:50 PM) [snapback]521353[/snapback]</div>
    If you read this man's book, the United States of Toyota, you would know what a change of heart he is having.
     
    #57 malorn, Oct 4, 2007
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