Apple = Crapple

I think it's just your PC fighting my beloved Apple - it's the PC's fault!

I can't imagine anything wrong with my beloved Apple :lol:

Sorry it's bothering you though....

 

Um, why are you telling us? Call Apple.

 

BB, it's the universe telling you.....

you need an IMac!


Apple not equal crapple

 

Vista = Fista . . .

. . . What I would like to throw at the programmers of the software which came preloaded on my new laptop. <_<

[wait till SP2, because only one service pack isn't going to fix this POS]

 

Vista's notorious for not working with lots of things, like PCs for instance. How can you be sure this is Apple's fault? And you're starting an online rant over $12??

 

Why would apple make its software work on PC? They are rival competitors. Thats like saying "I bought some wheels off of a Hummer, but they wont work on my prius! Its Hummer's fault!!"

please...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Slair @ Sep 16 2007, 08:39 PM) [snapback]513361[/snapback]</div>

They have done it in the past, and are doing it more and more. Very recently, they released a version of the Safari browser for PC.

As far as iTunes is concerned, this appeals to all computer users. Why would they restrict their most successful product (the iPod) to less than 10% of the potential market? That wouldn't make any sense from a commercial perspective.

I have been using iTunes for years on my PC, and I consider it a fine piece of software. It's an excellent way for Apple to showcase the user-friendlyness of their products to PC users, potentially generating a lot of new customers for their computers.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(hyo silver @ Sep 16 2007, 05:20 PM) [snapback]513305[/snapback]</div>

There is even a large amount of Microsoft software that doesn't work (well) on Vista. A real shame. But, in most cases, the problem is that this software isn't prepared for the new, strict UAC model.

 

I use both OSX and Windows. Apples seem to be far more reliable and fault tolerant then PC's. OSX can run for weeks on my macbook but windows seems to crash after a day or two. None of the apple hardware I have owned personally in the past five years has broken and none of the PC's that I have owned have broken except from extreme abuse. I have never ran an anti virus on any of my macs and because I dont need to the speed is much greater on my macs. The required anti virus on my PC's has caused many software scew ups that I have not had to deal with on my macs.

I have also used Itunes without any failures and even tried it on vista and it worked though vista was so slow I had to wipe it and reload xp.

The only apple problem I have had in recent memory is Safari for Windows. That was a failure! All kinds of errors and slower speed then IE. Exactly the opposite of what Apple advertised. The only think I can say is it was free, I uninstalled it and continue to use firefox.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Boulder Bum @ Sep 16 2007, 12:37 AM) [snapback]513206[/snapback]</div>

Wait... what? The iPod acts as a hard drive when connected to a computer. Are you saying the iPod should have a built-in virus scanner to scan anything copied onto it? How would the virus scanner update itself?

While Apple may take some blame for picking a lousy manufacturer or not catching the virus thing sooner... but their programmers are certainly not at fault.

 

From what I hear a LOT more than just iTunes doesn't work properly under Vista, much less under the 64bit version (which probably 0.0001% of people are using).

I have a friend that works for a large well known developer. According to my friend, Microsoft's own development tools aren't 100% "Vista" ready yet!


It is my understanding that a lot of companies (Dell, Microsoft and yes even Apple) use "other" companies server tools (such as SAP, Oracle, etc...) So your gift card problem may not even be Apple's fault.

 

You're blaming Apple because it doesn't work with Vista.

How far would I get blaming Microsoft for not working with my Mac? (BTW I.E. hasn't supported Mac for years.)

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Boulder Bum @ Sep 16 2007, 10:29 PM) [snapback]513483[/snapback]</div>

No it isn't. The PC should be responsible for what it executes. The iPod should be responsible for what it executes. The iPod didn't run the viral code, the PC did.

Then why doesn't your computer's hard drive protect against viruses? I don't know that the iPod's OS is really running when it is connected to a computer. The iPod's OS was not compromised. The iPod did not run the virus. The iPod did act as a simple hard drive when connected to the computer, and a compromised computer did copy a virus onto the iPod. Which, later, an insufficiently secured computer could copy off and run. The iPod itself never ran anything.

In fact, I think the iPod did follow those security principles. It allows the user to use it as a general purpose hard drive (like your standard USB thumb drive) - a feature that is much used, by the way. It, however, never trusts the data in that section of the hard drive for much of anything. (It'll display vcards if placed in the right spot, as I recall, and that's about it) So sure, it's treating that input as evil and untrustworthy. Later, another computer trusted the input from the iPod and executed code. Still don't see how that's the iPod's fault or really preventable by the iPod.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(n8kwx @ Sep 17 2007, 04:02 AM) [snapback]513476[/snapback]</div>

I can confirm that. Visual Studio isn't 100% ready for Vista right now. You can use it, but it doesn't work very well with the new UAC, and doesn't support all the new Vista features (like e.g. embedding a Vista-style icon in your program)

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(n8kwx @ Sep 17 2007, 04:02 AM) [snapback]513476[/snapback]</div>

True, but as a consumer, I reserve myself the right to blame the problem to the company that is offering me the service. It's their problem, regardless of how they implemented it.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Sep 17 2007, 04:52 AM) [snapback]513491[/snapback]</div>

Microsoft has developed a lot of software for the Mac, including Word. But that remark is pointless anyway. The point is that Apple explicitly supports iTunes for PC's with XP and Vista. That's their choice, but if they do it, they should do it right. No one forces a company to support a certain platform.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FourOhFour @ Sep 17 2007, 04:59 AM) [snapback]513495[/snapback]</div>

Now that's a very lame point. If I, as a software manufacturer, ship CD's with a virus on them, can I use the same excuse? After all, the CD doesn't run the virus, it is the computer of my customer that does it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FourOhFour @ Sep 17 2007, 04:59 AM) [snapback]513495[/snapback]</div>

Of course it's not the iPods fault, it was Apple's fault. When they shipped iPods with viruses on them, their product quality control obviously failed. And, as a consumer, I don't care whether this was done by a 3rd party manufacturer or not. I buy a product from Apple and it's their responsibility to get it right. That is what QC is all about.
And the argument that it's MS's fault because their OS is very prone to viruses is even more lame. If Apple doesn't like Windows, all they have to do is stay away from it. No one forces them to make products for PC's. But, if they chose to do so in order to offer their fine products to >90% of the market, then they should do it right. Thousands of manufacturers have been able to ship virus-free PC software and hardware for the last 15 years, so why shouldn't they be able to do it?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(vtie @ Sep 17 2007, 12:40 AM) [snapback]513579[/snapback]</div>

Well stated. It was Apple's fault that their Gold Master image for the iPod was contaminated with a PC virus; they should have caught it.

However, if a user manages to copy a virus onto their iPod, and then that virus later infects a PC, I don't hold Apple responsible for that. The hard drive analogy applies there, IMHO.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(priusenvy @ Sep 17 2007, 04:18 AM) [snapback]513584[/snapback]</div>

Oh, sure, but I don't believe the gold master image was contaminated. As I recall, it was a PC (used for quality control, maybe? I don't remember) at the manufacturer (which isn't Apple) that was infected and contaminated all iPods that were connected to it.

If the GM image was contaminated, that would certainly be Apple's fault.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Boulder Bum @ Sep 16 2007, 10:29 PM) [snapback]513483[/snapback]</div>

And you typed this from a PeeCee running Windows?

LOL. Now that's funny.

-D