Hmmm... at first I was disappointed my base Prius didn't have the magic FOBs... But now that cryptographers can steal a car just by being withing range of the FOB for an hour with a laptop... http://www.cosic.esat.kuleuven.be/keeloq/ -Joe
Well, "within range for about an hour" would be about 10 feet or less....right? So me thinks I will keep my FOB in lead pouch like they sold for anti-fog of film rolls through airport x-ray scanners. Maybe just a foil wrap around the FOB would be enough to drop the range to 2 or 3 feet...right? My thoughts went to knowing your environment very well and knowing and looking for laptop users that follow you around the building, work, stores, parking lots, whatever. (the gym,... someone knows your FOB will be in a locker for about an hour while you work out etc.) But maybe the metal locker would shield against the RF??? so many questions come to mind. This code crack requires that the FOB owner is not proactive in protecting the reception of their FOB's RF output. This condition must exist for the hack-lap to have access and communication with your FOB. Since so many people wonder about the RF or EMF dangers of FOB's anyway, having your FOB in a lead pouch may also assuage the fear that some people experience around electronic devices / RF - Wireless devices. ....thinking continues on this one...hmmmm?? Thanks Joe,
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(joedornan @ Aug 26 2007, 05:42 PM) [snapback]502487[/snapback]</div> Cryptographers don't steal cars. Car thiefs steal cars. Car thiefs aren't going to sit around for an hour waiting for their laptop to copy the code in your fob. Car thiefs will put a gun to your head and say something like, "give me your fob emmer effer!" If your going to worry, worry about something real.
Come one...so they proved it's not fool-proof..but it still takes incredible technical knowledge and equipment and a very determined thief... This is probably great stuff for a spy movie where the target drives a Prius and in a meeting room our hero pulls out his handy laptop and breakes the code and drives away with his target's car while the guy's taking a leak in the john. But in real life first someone would have to know you have a car w/SKS, be in close proximity to you for an hour without being noticed, then go take your car while there. Then what do they do with it? it would only be valuable to them if they took it to a chop shop to part out, get rid of VINs. And if you're going to do that why not just drag it away with a tow truck to start with?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(efusco @ Aug 26 2007, 08:25 PM) [snapback]502521[/snapback]</div> Exactly. A flatbed truck is a lot easier than hacking the code. Tom
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Aug 26 2007, 09:27 PM) [snapback]502566[/snapback]</div> Definitely. I'd rather have someone steal my car than break into my house. I'm sure a trained individual could open a normal lock in 30 seconds... (without simply kicking the door in) Perhaps now someone could create a SKS compatible lock for a house, or create a credit-card fob.
Old news, old news, old news. And other than it being technically possible, as others have said, you ain't gonna see car thieves doing this.
You don't have to be close to capture radio waves. Bluetooth is limited to about 30 feet or so but this guy below built an antenna that can snipe a cell phone from 1000 meters. With that said the average car thief wont take the time to hack a car. They want the good and they want them fast. The Prius is not a big enough car for a thief to take a long time to steal. [attachmentid=10933]
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(n8kwx @ Aug 26 2007, 09:45 PM) [snapback]502570[/snapback]</div> Actually, there are key pad entrys. The problem is they also have a key. It's the keyed locks that are vulnerable. My Dad's lock has a funky key. It has little round divets ground into the side of the key. The lock and the keys are really expensive. But it probably is immune to simple bumping. In the attemp to talk me into a keypad lock, the guy said you could give a code to someone for a day and then delete that code. But I don't have people go in my house when I'm not there so no sale on that point. The best protection for the front door is nosy neighbors who will call the police if they see strange people trying to enter your front door. The best protection for the back door is a large dog. (#3 is an alarm system.)
that's what the FireEngineers been doing, and you guys thought it was a mere EBH install it was FOB cracking at it's best :lol: :lol: :lol: Sorry wayne, it sounded too good to pass up anyone out there better wrap your fob in foil... that does not sound good Just kidding We will be here Tuesday waiting for ya.
