Very Disappointed with NAV

Maybe instead spending all that time :blink: emphasizing </span></span>[/u][/i]everything, you can go relax a little and stop freaking out so much. Is a hundred periods after a sentence really necessary.........................? The MFD is what it is.

 

speaking of Nav woes. the nav system is slightly dumb about planing routes on long trips. all three guides are pretty bad. for instance one 4 hour trip i make alot: the nav system would have me go 45 mins out of the way rather than getting off on a highway and taking the next uturn... 45 minute difference there, its a little extream. just wish it was more flexible and would literally plot the absolute quickest rout like my tom tom used to.

i totaly understand what the OP is talking about. some places--zooming in doesnt help at all. I miss the tom toms "3d" view that would tilt the map as if you were behind and above the car and layed out roads and turns ahead is a way that to me atleast was far easier to glance at and asociate it with the road ahead. (would also label all side roads)

the lack of passenger controll over the nav system while moving is also a little crappy.

just a generall whining post, i know, and not very constructive. the nav system is way better than not having one at all.

 

Wana know the name of the street (that you're familiar with? . . . than I don't get how you can be familiar if you don't know where it is :blink: ) that you are approaching? But you can't see the name?

TOUCH THE SCREEN, ON the ROAD you'e looking at ... and the NAV will ALWAYS display that name.

ANY MORE PROBLEMS ? Post it on PC !

 

If you touch the actual road on the MFD, its name will appear at the top of the MFD. I agree that you shouldn't have to touch every side road. If you did, you'd be spending too much time with your eyes inside the car and not on the road.

If you choose to use the nav as a simple moving map without direct routing to your destination, then it is always a good idea to browse the destination area before starting the trip. I do this by having the map show the destination area before I leave. I can zoom and touch side streets to get a general idea of the lay of the land before I'm in motion.

Another tip: Set the destination, then Suspend Guidance. The destination still appears as a red dot on the map. As you near the destination, it becomes easier to decide when to "peek" at side streets. And you can always Resume Guidance when you need it. I do this quite often. For example, I know how to get within a few miles of the destination, but it's a great help to have Guidance when I'm getting close. So I Resume Guidance and get the assistance I need when I need it. This avoids the constant nav-nagging enroute.

Be advised that Navteq is responsible for the actual nav information, but the display behavior is controlled by Denso, who makes the unit. Toyota reps probably just shrug and say "We just buy the unit." I didn't buy Volvo's NAV system for just this reason when I had the XC90. Volvo appeared uninterested in improving the nav performance (at least they didn't in 2003-4).

On a stylistic writing note: If you constantly emphasize everything, then nothing becomes emphasized. You stated your feelings in the topic; we understand you're frustrated. But if one uses a highliter to highlight every other word, then nothing stands out. In writing, your words count; a raised voice--or wild gestures like we all do when we're excited---just don't make it through on the "printed" page. It's much more effective to emphasize only the things that can benefit from emphasis.

 

I .........................thought I was a ..............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................bitch on the forums.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FloridaWen @ Jun 12 2007, 01:11 PM) [snapback]460232[/snapback]</div>

zomg, durring the server upgrade, did we change to hondachat.com as well?

I dont think I've heard him say "honda navi is better" enough. If I wanted a honda navi, I would of bought one.

 

turn your headlights on.

 

My old Nav system:

1) Find map in side pocket.

2) Replace map, take out other one because I grabbed the wrong map.

3) Look at index to find where street is.

4) Flip map over because H3 is on the other side.

5) Find H3.

6) Find Main Street.

7) Follow Main Street to L5 because it's a really long street and of course where I want to get to is on the other end.

8) Attempt to figure out how to get there from where I am.

9) Attempt to figure out where I am.

10) Finally figure out how to get there.

11) Fold map (this step takes 30 minutes minimum).

12) Get lost anyway.

I'm MUCH happier with my new Nav system, thank you very much.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FloridaWen @ Jun 12 2007, 10:33 AM) [snapback]460252[/snapback]</div>

This is one of the reasons I purchased my Honda Odyssey with Nav, rather than the Toyota Sienna with Nav. I read Honda has a better one than Toyota. I mean, does Toyota allow someone to play with Nav while driving? I read it doesn't and that would drive me nuts. I guess for safety reasons? What if my wife wants to program Nav while I am driving? HOw is that unsafe?

 

I guess if I need to find a road, seeing the name would be important, but just having them listed no matter how crowded the screen gets seems messy.

Of course, if I was searching for a road I'd have entered it as my destination, then when I started driving on it the name would be shown.

Perhaps (hah, perhaps) the Acura has a high-dollar NAV with screens designed to show more detail. Since I'm not spoiled by better, what I got from Toyota will do, even when it sends me down an ally it thinks is a road...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FloridaWen @ Jun 12 2007, 01:33 PM) [snapback]460252[/snapback]</div>

What seems very obvious to me is that whether good or bad in absolute terms, we tend to get used to the things we use for prolonged periods, and measure subsequent experience by that yardstick. The result is that for you, the Acura NAV became familiar, second nature to use and exploit, and your 'norm'. By comparison, the Toyota NAV is almost bound to fail at first because it doesn't work the same way, show the same detail the same way and guide the same way. However, once you get used to it's different characteristics, the different way you need to work with it to exploit the features it has and the different way you read it to get what you want from it, you'll find that it is perfectly adequate. Full of little foibles and minor irritants perhaps, but still perfectly adequate.

As to these things being generally equal, it's clearly the case that from the mapping standpoint they are since by and large there are only a couple of companies responsible for developing and updating the data. But once you let software engineers loose on the interfacing and feature set, they become significantly differentiated in how they operate, the user interface and controls, feature set and accuracy. In comparison to navigating by map, they are pretty much all an improvement, but in the way they work, some suit some people more than others.

Take time to get used to the Toyota system, and put your prior NAV experiences behind you since focussing on how it did what it did doesn't help you in any way unless you're going to revert to an Acura! Spend time learning the Toyo NAV's quirks and features (check out the Lexus resource mentioned earlier) so you can find out it's potential and learn it's strengths, not just discover and focus on it's weaknesses.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bryan11 @ Jun 12 2007, 02:13 PM) [snapback]460282[/snapback]</div>

I can do anything I want while driving (or passengering) with the NAV in my mom's Civic Hybrid, so yea they are less restrictive. My 2004 Prius has the override so I can do the same thing even though Toyota would prefer I don't.

Maybe some old NAV-related lawsuit against Toyota didn't clue Honda into why things should be different, but it did work for Toyota?...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(FloridaWen @ Jun 12 2007, 06:26 AM) [snapback]460027[/snapback]</div>

The nav system in your Acura also used NAVTEQ data. The NAVTEQ database merely associates the street name with the road geometry, it doesn't dictate where it is displayed.

 

I'm not that impressed with the Prius NAV system either. I have a 7 year old black and white emap that shows me approaching streets. I don't have to zoom in to see them, it shows this in a separate line. Why doesn't the Prius NAV do this as well? While it is great that it shows me what street I am on, it would be nice to also tell me what street is coming up next without having to zoom the map.