<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(gturtle\";p=\"43786)</div> Mine generally offers three alternatives. One is labeled "Fast" (or something very similar) and favors freeways. The other two are labeled "Short".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(mikepaul\";p=\"43451)</div> I'm a programmer, so 'defect' and 'error' are pretty much the same thing. When I'm told to turn left (incorrect) instead of right (correct) on a regular basis, that's a 'defect'. Telling me to make the next right, when *no* road exists to the right, is a defect that's usually followed by a new route calculation that adds extra time. Telling me to get off the highway, then when half-way down the offramp telling me to continue down that highway, is a defect. Selecting a dirt road when a better paved road which would have been a shorter route had just been passed by is a defect. Plenty of stuff like that. I'll ignore the phantom turns, where a straight road is broken down into a series of 'bear slightly left' stuff. That's merely annoying compared to the others. Over the past 9 months, various people have complained to Toyota, and some have gotten what read like grudging admissions that the NAV data wasn't as good as it could be. However, a promise to replace it under warranty as defective was never posted, so I was interested in asking if anyone did actually get that from Toyota. If there's a Universal Warranty on NAV stuff, where only 60% of all directions are supposed to work correctly, then *maybe* there's no warranty issue here. Never heard that argument before, though... [/b][/quote]I had the same problem with going to the Getty- It doesn't take you to the parking lot. My Prius is the 2005 BC- I'll check what the DVD version is. My Camry had the same problem naving to the Getty. I think it's more of a problem with the specific input of the "POI" on the Toyota DVD - on all the Toyota DVD's not just 04 or 05. ? It works for me 99.7% of the time without dilemma. I can't complain.
Here is an example of a "defect" in my Sienna Nav. When I type in my home address as 7239 N. ------- (I've blanked out the street name for privacy), the Nav will direct me to the correct location. However, it lists that location as 6900 N. -------. When I tried entering 6900 N. ------ as the destination, it took me to the correct place. But it showed that location as 6800 N. -------. So, obviously there is some kind of data error here. I'm planning to show this problem to my dealer in the hopes that he will give me an updated NAV disc free of charge under warranty. I'm not sure if he will or not, but I'm going to ask. FWIW, I have a 2004 Prius and Sienna. The NAV discs are not interchangeable. I tried the Prius disc in my Sienna (and vice versa) because the Prius disc does NOT contain this error. Unfortunately it didn't work. roundy
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(macreative\";p=\"43839)</div> Found a new one last night. Decided to learn a new rote to the new house, so I tried a backroad that had a turn I didn't expect (Longtown Road and Longtown Road West aren't the same) so I NAVed myself to the house and discovered that, apparently, proposed roads are in the database and are treated as if they are real. I was directed to turn into a new development, and go around the south end of a pond to swing around to my place. However, the road I live on ends (for now) right past my house, and there's no way to get there from the direction the NAV said to come from. Since the indicated road hugs the shore of the pond, I'd have to guess there's a plan to build a road there, but IMHO the NAV should know which roads REALLY exist. Also, some of the black lines I took to be roads along the way don't have any opening as you pass the indicated intersection, but I wasn't told to DRIVE on those so they aren't as big an issue...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(inventor00\";p=\"43904)</div> Buy 4.1 on eBay for under $80 - - - do a saved search so that you know when the Toyota Nav DVD is available on eBay. Works great.
You're all running on 3.3?? And here I'm a sucker stuck on Nav3.2 from my '04 that I got at the end of Feb. -m.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(rflagg\";p=\"43921)</div> I do have version 4.12, I checked last night. On my 2005 BC
Re: Nav DVD version 4.1 How to Check Turn on car (grin), hit Menu button on right side of screen. Hit Map DVD button on screen and it will tell you which version you have. I have 3.2 (purchased in Feb 04). Looking for a cheap upgrade......
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(macreative\";p=\"43994)</div> So in three weeks mine, version 4.1, became obsolete. What type of changes are designated by the .XX designation? The .X? and the X. ? How often are new versions released?
Aren't the first two digits the year the DVDs were released? So, shouldn't we wait until the 05 dvds come out?
Getting back on topic: While waiting for my complimentary 5K oil change this past Saturday, I inquired at the parts department about the 4.1 update. It seems I was the 2nd one that day to ask. All they had was version 2003 (Huh?). They would check with Toyota and get back to me. Well, this morning they called me back after they got the return call from Toyota. Doesn't seem that there is a replacement yet available as a part. However, my dad does have a DVD burner that does burn dual layer (it has to be dual layer, it is about 7GB) DVDs. So, if anyone in the Tampa Bay area with a 4.1 ver DVD would like to lend me their DVD, I'll see if it can be copied. Then, maybe I should copy my existing 3.3 so I can lend my DVD while I try copying theirs. Time to get dual layer media. By the way, the ver 2003 they said they had was $250.
This copy would, of course, just be to verify any improvements, after which it would be destroyed. Right?...
At $10 per blank disk, it will still cost over $100 to make copies. And, there's no guarantee that recordable DVD's will actually work in the nav system. --Dan.
Why would it cost $100 to make one copy? It only takes one double layer disk to copy a double layer disk. However, as MikePaul is giving to account, except for personal backup purposes, the copies would be illegal if passed on. However, currently they are not available, as per Toyota themselves, through proper channels at this time.
I was under the impression that the nav data was contained on 10 or 11 disks. I take it that is not true? --Dan.
Nope, just one DVD under the driver seat. While car is powered on, slide the cover left to open, and push the latch/button. DVD will pop out like any other DVD. If there is more than one, it would have to be for different markets, but only one can go in the navigation system. That's why it is so ridiculous to charge $250 for it.
The $250, while largely profit, has alot to do with licensing the data. It's not free to acquire it in the first place, let alone develop it. I do agree that it's a ton of cash though.
I agree, the data is not free as there is a development cost. But as has been pointed out on one other or more threads, there are MANY sources of map data that is MUCH less expensive. I am not including the ones off the web, as they are subsidized by banner advertizing and the like. However, there is Streets and Maps, which is only $40 for not only the data, but the program to run it too. Others have also commented that replacement data for aftermarket navigation systems cost alot less too. I'd have no problem paying $50 every year or so. But $250? Come on! Despite my rant on the price of the DVD, I will concede and appreciate my brothers and sisters for bringing up that copying and distributing the DVD is illegal and unethical. Just that with the DVD being so expensive, it is really tempting.
