Israel Under Attack - Looking for Advice

They should kill time on a hybrid car chat site and bit** about how they are persecuted.
Is there something unusual about this? These 2 sides have been engaged in land battle there for longer than I've been alive. It's too bad they can't get along, but this is not my fight and I don't have a horse in the race.

 

Like darwood said, this is really nothing new... these two have been going at it for a long time, and frankly it really doesn't effect a vast majority of us...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 17 2007, 09:37 AM) [snapback]444083[/snapback]</div>

Buy everyone a Prius. Much cheaper than war, and soon everyone will so consumed with mpg and mfd that they will forget who the enemy is.

 

We suffer from terrorist attacks not because of any Arab-Israeli conflict. We suffer because, simply put, our way of life is different from their, and they take offense. We live in a capitalistic society that holds great power over the rest of the world, and make a pretty big target. An Arab-Israeli conflict would only target Jews, not the rest of the civilized world.

And FYI, the Prius's batteries aren't explosive. Nice try, but the reduction in the size of the gas tank over other choices would actually make the Prius less flammable.

As for your comment on Iraq... the strategy for Georgie should have been, from the beginning, sell everything i have, invest in Toyota, and dump billions of tax payer money getting everyone in America to drive a Prius. Instead, he kept his interest in big oil, and invaded Iraq.

 

I don't know what Israel should do. What do you suggest?

It would be mighty tempting to return fire in a big way....

The Palestinians lost my sympathy when they started using their own children as bombs. And nothing Israel does is ever construed as right.

I keep hoping that Israel will do the world's dirty work and take out the Iranian nuclear capacity. Nobody else has the guts.

This may sound loony, but I think the best thing Israel could do is relocate to Mexico. The Israelis have shown that they can make the deserts bloom. Give them a chunk of Mexico (or let them buy it) and it would probably help solve our immigration problems, too. There would be jobs and prosperity and stability.

I know the importance of the Temple, but I do not understand how one spot on earth is any holier than any other spot. The whole earth is holy and filled with the Presence of the Lord.

Move to Mexico. Then Israel's enemies can't blame their failures on anyone else.

My useless opinion.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 17 2007, 08:37 AM) [snapback]444083[/snapback]</div>

They should implement dberman plan A. Kill all palestinians. Then they should implement dberman plan B kill all Iranians.

 

You skipped a step.
-Blame Billary and B hussein Obama

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(formerVWdriver @ May 17 2007, 11:46 AM) [snapback]444183[/snapback]</div>

You blame an entire population for the sins of a few?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 17 2007, 01:39 PM) [snapback]444324[/snapback]</div>

You seem to think it is... at least, you stood up and cheered when we attacked Iraq, and still cheer our actions there every chance you get...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Jonnycat26 @ May 17 2007, 02:36 PM) [snapback]444322[/snapback]</div>

I wouldn't use the word "few."

It seems that the population celebrates "the few's" "martyrdom" rather than condemning it, which makes them complicit.

Further, have you seen the trend in Palestinian baby pictures, where the child is dressed up as a suicide bomber? Little kids? This is child abuse!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 17 2007, 01:42 PM) [snapback]444329[/snapback]</div>

Hamas also fed and clothed the poor people of Palestine for several years, which probably won them quite a bit of favor (Because everything one says at FHOP gets spinned, I issue the following note: I do not support Hamas as a terrorist organization nor do I support terrorist activities of any kind).

I don't know what any of them can do to fix their issues with each other, as far as I am concerned, it looks like a bunch of idiots fighting over some sand. If I was Jewish, I would choose to live anywhere but the middle east, and if I was Muslum, I would choose to live anywhere else but the middle east.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 17 2007, 01:39 PM) [snapback]444324[/snapback]</div>

I certainly don't have the answer to this solution.

Your thread here obviously had one purpose. And that's to make Israel look like the victim to a persistant vicious terrorist group. This is just another thread to make people feel sorry for the Jews. Wasn't your previous thread a calling about how anti-semetic the rest of the world is. Yawn.

If one participates in this "logical exercise" that starts with PALESTINIAN TERRORISTS ARE ONCE AGAIN ATTACKING ISRAEL what else can one conclude other than to use military force against Palestinians right? Otherwise the alternative is to "propose that the Israeli's should accept continuous missile attacks against their civilian population".

So which is it? Attack or don't attack? And if Israel attacks and the Palestinians attack back, then what?

I'm not an expert on the Israel/Palestinian conflict, but I'm guessing both sides are culpable in this conflict. So you're probably going to ask, well what should we do now then. I care about this as much you probably did with the Irish/Brits, Chinese/Taiwanese, North Korea/South Korea, and the Darfur/Janjaweed conflict. None of us are experts with this middle east BS, so are you really looking for a solution from a bunch of prius owners? No. So I played your game and gave you the answer to where your question comes to its logical conclusion.

I'm stale. No sir, you're search for Israeli/Jewish pity is stale. The holocaust came and went, get over it. What are you looking for, affirmative action? You want to do something for "your" people? Go to Israel and tend to the innocent victims you care so dearly for. Then pick up a rifle and go fight for Israel, cause at least that's a nation where everyone does there fair share of fighting.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ May 17 2007, 02:40 PM) [snapback]444357[/snapback]</div>

I was focusing on the issue at hand. My response was a perfectly valid one. See, it's useless posing anything resembling a coherent argument against you - you'll just twist the words, or ignore most of it, or whatever else it is you do to feel like you have a superior position.

You asked if if it is ok to let another sovereign entity attack another one. I replied with a perfectly valid answer - we did. Personal feelings about the war in Iraq have been debated long and hard on this board, and are well known. view points as to whether or not we should have attacked, or should withdraw are well known. In fact, Berman, we've had this very discussion about what constitutes proper provocation for military action. I don't feel the need to repeat myself.


So let me ask you - If we felt it was proper to go into Iraq because we disagreed with their government and their way of doing things, is it proper for Palestine to attack Israel for the same reason? The only difference between the two is the individual point of view and the military strength of the two sides. (NOTE: I do not support the attacks, Palestine, terrorism, suicide bombings, etc. this is posed as an intellectual argument only) On the flip side, would it be appropriate for Israel to attack Palestine for these same reasons?

Face it Berman, you created this thread looking for a fight. Your wording gave us only two options, both of which vilify one set of people while making the other look like completely innocent targets. the world isn't this black and white.

 

Well said.
I feel no need to pick a side here. "You're with us or against us" is just as invalid here as it is in other commonly used contexts. Now if Isreal was overflowing with oil resources.....