Welcome to the talk like a Democrat thread...

Doubt you're going to get much bite on this one (except me, I'm a sucker). I personally would find it more impressive if you were a bit more realistic (not that that "other" post is either). I mean c'mon, what was that about Superman? I get it, Chris Reeves, but really. Stem cells are derived from eggs from fertility clinics. Otherwise those eggs are thrown away after the parents conceive or give up. If conservatives have a problem, it should be with fertility treatments, which create disposable embryos, NOT with stem cell research, which tries to put the clinic's leftovers to positive use.

Also, I know lots of liberals who are not against a moderate use of nuclear power, at least in the short term. And I don't know WHO you've been talking to who thinks we can get free energy. Sure, it would help if the oil companies spent more money on alternative energy sources (this is happening slowly).

As for the '08 election, I'm sure G W Bush will help us win that one, so 'nuff said!

"Drop your intellect at the door"? I thought that was the directions for becoming conservative! LOL.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 10:05 AM) [snapback]411458[/snapback]</div>

That's where I draw the line. My son is the result of IVF. Are you telling me you would have deprived me of having a child?

Typical conservative "i'd like to regulate your life" crap.

Allow me to talk like a conservative:

I have a problem with (insert emotionally charged non-issue here) because according to (the bible, my own head, what O'Reilly said) will destroy America! I know most experts in the fields with peer reviewed publications agree on the opposite view. However, I think I am better qualified than them because (the bible, my own head, what O'Reilly said) tells me so.

It's all a conspiracy of the weather channel!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 01:09 PM) [snapback]411497[/snapback]</div>

This is a precise example of "talk like a conservative". There is nothing similar between a single cell embryo and a 5 year old. Only in your head. The reason more than one embryo is generated is because the process is unpredictable. Only using using more than one embryo gives any certainty than the procedure would work. Of course, you did not know or consider that fact before forming an opinion.

Also, my impression is that people at PC do not want to regulate what other people drive. We just want alternatives to Detroit's low mpg deluge to be available.

 

We wanted spell check on PC and we got it so now we look even smarter.

We were so sure Global Warming was real and now most scientists think it is real.

We wanted to slap the tobacco companies down for marketing to kids and we got it.

We've always believed 'our side' was more 'today' and judging by the polls more and more of the populace is coming over to our side.

We're statistically more educated, and with education comes the ability to learn to think for ourselves.

Anecdotal evidence shows we are more generous with our donations.

Why don't they have the intelligence to come up with their own thread titles instead of merely taking the lazy approach and copying?

Oh, what's the point? About a third of the population will never see things our way, so why bother with them?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 06:20 PM) [snapback]411642[/snapback]</div>

Eggs also don't have a nervous system or even a single neuron. Are you going to give the same rights to plants and all other embryos from the plant and animal kingdom? Or to every single cell of the epidermis you shed?

Another point. Do you eat meat? Any adult animal has an infinitely higher capacity for suffering than a single cell embryo. According to your ethical standards, if you were in any way consistent and not a specieist, you could not even be vegetarian.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 02:20 PM) [snapback]411642[/snapback]</div>

Are we supposed to be impressed by the fact that you are a physician?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Mar 24 2007, 06:49 PM) [snapback]411649[/snapback]</div>

Not me. I am a veterinarian.. :lol:

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 07:02 PM) [snapback]411653[/snapback]</div>

Well. You didn't seem to know the reason why multiple eggs are fertilized.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 07:02 PM) [snapback]411653[/snapback]</div>

Couples that undergo IVF do not ""need" to generate a large batch of embryos just to have "backups"". This is what the procedure requires and its not as you snidely imply a lack of character.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 07:17 PM) [snapback]411656[/snapback]</div>

Retrieving and implanting the eggs are very unpleasant procedures and you don't want to repeat them if not necessary. You don't know how many you will need. Actually you don't know how many you will obtain to begin with. Its a matter of real life success ratios and probabilities.

They are leftovers as any rational personal recognizes they are not people but single cells.

 

Yeah, what Alric said...

My question is, why are conservatives all riled up about abortion/stem-cell/IVF (although many don't understand it, present company possibly excluded), but think we should cut funding for social welfare, human services, public health care, and public education? Explain how this does not put the rights of unborn children ABOVE the rights of those already here?

Everyone who thinks abortion is immoral should be required to adopt. There are too many unwanted, neglected, and abused children in the world already.

(BTW, I am PERSONALLY, not politically, against abortion, and AM looking into adoption).

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 11:58 PM) [snapback]411751[/snapback]</div>

circumstance changes perspective. there is no black and white here, saying "wrong is wrong" is ridiculous.

i'd also personally never eat rancid meat, and won't deny someone else the ability to do so... but does that make it wrong because i don't like it? nope.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 24 2007, 11:58 PM) [snapback]411751[/snapback]</div>

So, thank you for the non-answer. You proved my point. It's illegal/immoral to kill a child, but its perfectly acceptable to let them rot in an abusive household. It's certainly not the governments problem.

Personally against abortion means that I would choose to keep my own child, or give it up for adoption if I couldn't raise it well. It doesn't mean I believe that embryos have rights or feelings, or are even humans yet. I DON'T believe it is wrong for someone to have an abortion if the alternative is to poorly raise an "unwanted" child. However, if they DO choose to have the child, then we as a society have a responsibility to make sure that child is safe, fed, clothed, educated, and loved.

Oh yeah, and why do many conservatives support war and the death penalty? I thought killing was immoral?

Conservatives are never good with those details...

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Ethereal @ Mar 25 2007, 12:58 AM) [snapback]411751[/snapback]</div>

Robbery is illegal and commited against another fellow human. Abortion is legal and a personal matter.