Full article: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2105001,00.asp I don't understand any of this stuff, but given MS's history of buggy software, when Symantec says Vista is insecure on a whole new level, I'm really glad I've given Bill the boot.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Mar 19 2007, 02:44 PM) [snapback]408469[/snapback]</div> just got off the phone with him, he said he was worried because he lost you. Having sleepless nights. If you really care about your fellow man please switch to Vista i just got a new pc with it on it - love it. love the new microsoft office '07 package too - that made him feel slightly better - he still wants you back. if you have any compassion you will do so forthright.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dbermanmd @ Mar 19 2007, 11:53 AM) [snapback]408476[/snapback]</div> I spent years with him. My computers crashed, the software didn't work, I had to spend money on security guards because he kept leaving the doors unlocked. Finally the security guards had completely taken over the house, leaving me no room for my own programs. He abused me for a decade. I found someone else who provides decent locks on the doors and software that works. Bill had his chance. He blew it. And by the looks of it, he's up to his old tricks, building passages designed to foil the guards instead of the intruders.
I can't wait till the day my entire family switches to macs. it will come soon enough. Bill is bad enough symantec is worse.. help, protect me.... ok.. i need most of your system resources.. and i'm still going to miss things NO.... my folding is slowing down! No! stupid bill... he's even boring to listen to. has anyone tried to listen to the vista press release video?
IPv4 (your standard xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx IP) tunnelling over IPv6 has been around for many years on real OSs. Even OSX should have it (a gif interface). It's a method to transition IPv4 devices whom aren't IPv6 ready over a IPv6 network. Not going to happen soon unless your Internet provider starts allowing IPv6 packets through it. Generally both endpoints have to estabilished first before it will work and have compatible network settings; resembles the way current VPNs work, so no big deal. The real problem is Symantec wasn't ready for it, nor checking for it (easy to fix for them), and blowing FUD (blaming MS) about it because this little ecological niche of Windows tech is being disturbed from its inertia by advanced network technologies from the late '90s (IPv6).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NuShrike @ Mar 19 2007, 12:30 PM) [snapback]408502[/snapback]</div> No, the real problem is that Windows has a "Welcome" mat out for intruders unless Symantec, or a competitor, and several other security programs are running at the same time, eating resources and still only catching 99% of the instrusion attempts and significantly less than that of the email malware.
The real problem is Micro$ucks didn't open up the kernel to security providers until sometime last fall... an operating system they've been working on for 5 years now, and they don't allow the actual security experts to to start their work until a month or so before the corporate release. And then they only released it because of all the bad press and threats from the EU for legal trouble... PS. Berman, i dare you to argue this one... M$ really does make inferior products
I'm forced to spend my days working with Bill. But I voluntarily spend my nights playing with Steve. Couldn't be happier.
Bill keeps me employed with all the crap he keeps releasing. We're keeping Vista out since XP will continue to be supported to 2014.
Vista rocks. OSX rocks. Linux rocks. It all depends on what you need it for. I guarantee I can bring your box down to its knees on any OS you choose to run. You're deluding and lying to yourself if you don't think OSX or Linux have its own set of flaws.
They all have their flaws, of course... However, Windows is by far the most exploitable out of the box. Most malicious hackers go for the easy targets - Why spend an hour cracking into an OSX system, when you can get into a windows system in 5 minutes? But beyond security, Windows is a royal PITA. At home, i haven't restarted my linux or OSX boxes since i got home from my 3 week trip to Spain in December (which had been the first time either of those boxes had been turned off since May of last year...). The windows box has to be restarted at minimum every other week, just to keep it manageable.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Presto @ Mar 19 2007, 06:17 PM) [snapback]408718[/snapback]</div> I am taking bets that before 2010.... you are going to be playing fiddle on a Vista machine... you just won't be able to resist... as the rest of the world will pass you by. :blink:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(John in LB @ Mar 21 2007, 07:53 AM) [snapback]409507[/snapback]</div> I’m not going to wait until 2010; just until Vista SP2 (which probably will show up in about a year)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Annoying One @ Mar 21 2007, 12:08 PM) [snapback]409558[/snapback]</div> I agree, with a new MS OS, always wait for one or two SP's if you can.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Mar 19 2007, 02:05 PM) [snapback]408481[/snapback]</div> I think you'll be back with the next generation Windows OS. Vista is a stepping stone to what will become the end all WinOS. In 2013, Windows Cheese will hit the market. It will go really great with that whine of yours.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Mar 21 2007, 09:35 AM) [snapback]409577[/snapback]</div> 2013??? Microsoft operating systems have been cheesy (and smelled like limburger) since the very first release of DOS. If you want a cheesy OS, pick anything from MS.
Meh. We'll start using Vista at work when a customer has a problem with our software running on it. Until then, we'll let the first round of bugs get worked out without compromising our network. And yes, Vista will compromise our network, because we have older Linux boxes that are incompatible with Vista's networking. I'll take care of that when it's time. But at the moment, we have no reason to upgrade, so we won't upgrade. Now at home, it'll be a while before I get Vista, if at all. I'm a slow upgrader. Our main computer is a 2 year old dual boot XP/Ubuntu, we've got a Win98 machine that we use regularly, and a Win95/DOS/GEOS machine in storage (wife's old computer).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daronspicher @ Mar 21 2007, 12:35 PM) [snapback]409577[/snapback]</div> I do not know, I've heard Windows Cheese has lots of security holes, and, additionally, compatability problems with the mouse.
