List Dealers Charging Over MSRP

Here is a dealer in Orlando, David Maus Toyota
(Longwood FL)

1 is a #9 2004
2&3 #6 2005


David Maus Toyota Inventory
Model Year Model Exterior Color Interior Available MSRP Selling Price
2004 Hybrid Gas/Electric Sedan (4 Speed Automatic) Driftwood Pearl Brown/ivory 09/13/04 $27,679 selling for $31,839
2005 Hybrid Gas/Electric Sedan (4 Speed Automatic) Salsa Red Pearl Dark Brown/Ivory 09/25/04 $28,079 selling for $30,879
2005 Hybrid Gas/Electric Sedan (4 Speed Automatic) Tideland Pearl Dark Brown/Ivory 09/25/04 $28,079 selling for $30,879

 

Got a call from Gresham Toyota in the Portland, OR metro area last week. Back in March, I had e-mailed a bunch of dealers asking about their 2004 Prius availability. They call me 6 months later to say they have a #7 for $29K!! And this is the end of the model year!!

I asked him don't you think $6K over MSRP at the end of the model year is kind of HIGH? He says, well that's our ASKING price; come on down and take a look...

Glad I got one last March before my 16 year old BMW died.

 

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When I began my Prius search back in January, I stopped by Gresham Toyota to check their availability. When asked about the demo Prius (that we were standing right next to), the salesperson appeared totally uninterested in even showing it to me, much less taking an order or deposit. Now I'm REALLY glad we walked out without pursuing the issue any further.

As for other Portland area dealerships, I understand that Thomason Toyota is selling the Prius first-come first-serve (at around $5K over MSRP).

 

When I began my Prius search back in January, I stopped by Gresham Toyota to check their availability. When asked about the demo Prius (that we were standing right next to), the salesperson appeared totally uninterested in even showing it to me, much less taking an order or deposit. Now I'm REALLY glad we walked out without pursuing the issue any further.

As for other Portland area dealerships, I understand that Thomason Toyota is selling the Prius first-come first-serve (at around $5K over MSRP).[/b][/quote]kjb516

I’m sorry to correct you but Broadway Toyota In Portland Oregon DOES NOT sell their cars OVER MSRP Tomason Toyota does. As well as the other PDX dealers I talked to.

I bought my 04 #9 from Broadway Toyota In Portland Oregon It was the single best buying experience I have ever had, my other cars are Mercedes Benz and Volvo.

Normally I would rather see a Proctologist who uses a Cattle prod, than go out to buy a car.

But from the moment I emailed all of the Portland dealers for information, Broadway Toyota and especially, Jerry Rousselle and his group Bill Bork and Charlie Newson of Broadway Toyota Internet/Fleet Dept. responded immediately.

The buying experience was fantastic. I pulled up to the dealership on a Harley and within 15 minutes Jerry offered me the keys to the car to take out on my own for an hour or so test drive. They sold me the car for MSRP. They lived up to every thing the said they would do, and more. I can’t recommend Broadway Toyota and Jerry Rousselle to highly. I plan on buying their new SUV hybrid when it is available.

I can not recommend them more highly !!!!!

 

Did I miss something?

Was there something in this thread about Broadway Toyota that springer was reacting to?

 

I did not state that Broadway was charging over MSRP, just Thomason (that I know of). In fact, from what I've heard from other Prius buyers, Broadway appears to be quite reputable (I.E. selling at MSRP with no games). In terms of selling at MSRP, I must also give kudos my dealership (Ron Tonkin).

 

as Emily Latila would say.... never mind

sorry I miss read it I'm going to get my eyes check right now.

My apologies.

 

I can't believe all these dealers charging over MSRP, as a dealer that really upsets me! If any of my Prius Chat buddies, friends, or family would like to buy a New Prius at MSRP let me know! I do have some Prius vehicles available. Contact me at your convenience, and let me know how I can help.

Regards,

Kent Cochran
Internet Sales Manager
Ehrlich Toyota
970-302-8711
[email protected]
www.ehrlichtoyota.com

 

Mike Erdman Toyota in Merritt Island, Florida is charging $1000 over MSRP. I bought mine from Toyota of Melbourne for MSRP.

 

If you want one now from Carson, you'll pay $2000 over invoice. If you don't mind waiting up to a year it will be MSRP.

 

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Just want all of you to know that I just received an e-mail from Peter Mehanna at Claremont Toyota stating that they have multiple Prius's there for sale. They are offering the cars for $2000 over MSRP. No good! I put my name on the list at Michael Toyota. I can wait 3 months. I was told that they would be doubling production of the Prius anyway.

 

I almost caved a few weeks ago and got one at $2000 over invoice. We have to be strong and resist the temptation. Only the consumers can stop dealers from gouging us.

 

You PREACH IT!!! The good thing about Michael Toyota is that they just took down my information over the phone without needing a deposit!!! The best thing is that I get the car I want at MSRP! Again, there's no rush. They're increasing the production. Just hang tough and livestrong!!

 

I didn't mean to come off that way, but it's the truth. Dealers are gouging us because we let them.

There I go again.



*steps off soapbox*

 

The dealer in San Luis Obispo Ca has a package #1 for $2000 over.

They would say they are a small dealer and must make a profit...

Bob Andersen

 

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Over invoice - the price that the dealer pays Toyota for the car - or over list price which is the Manufacturer Suggested Retail Price?

 

oops... $2000 over MSRP... over invoice certainly would have been fine.

 

Here are the dealer in Texas I have some knowledge concerning:

Vandergriff Toyota in Arlington, TX: internet manager is Mike Mercer. Friendly people. When I put my deposit down in Dec '03, not charging over MSRP to be placed on a "list", but long wait probably with people paying extra getting theirs sooner. $500 deposit. Manager will not comment on how long the wait (indefinite). My wait has been 1 year.

Toyota of Lewisville, TX. Internet manager: Kevin Cleveland. Charging $5000 over MSRP with a nonrefundable $1000 deposit. Estimated wait 4-8 months.

Toyota of Grapevine, Texas. Internet sales manager: Mark Smith. No longer putting people on a traditional waiting list, instead puts you on a contact list. When a Prius (any Prius) comes to their lot, they contact you and it goes to the first person to come and purchase it. Manager would not comment on how much charging over MSRP, but did state there is a "market adjustment". My estimate from their previous email offers is about $4000 over MSRP.

 

I got on the waiting list at Toyota Mall of Georgia in October. No car for six months. When one did come in that I wanted (#9) they added everything that they could to the vehicle. Went way above MSRP.

I bought a Honda Civic Hybrid. When Toyota get's it's act together - Maybe - I'll buy one from them.

Incidently - I'm very happy with the Honda. Paid $23K fully equipted.

 

What we really need is a car company that will build one like this - Simplified Hybrids are the way to go. Fuel cells will never be practical in private transportation. Nor will Hydrogen power. This leaves you with an ungodly mess if you use almost any other fuel.

Like to produce a vehicle that will burn rubber on takeoff and get 90+ mpg?

What I would like to see the automakers working on would have:

A turbocharged, two cylinder opposed, 2-cycle, air-cooled diesel directly
driving a generator. (It would not be running most of the time.) A 370 volt
Lithium-Ion Polymer battery pack. Nothing but wires going from the
controller to every wheel, except for the necessary additional friction
brakes (of course). An added advantage of this would be the ability to recharge from the electrical grid while at home, saving even more on fuel.

Each wheel, depending on the feedback to the controller from wheel speed
sensors would drive with just the right power depending on the accelerator
position. You would get recharging from deceleration just as you do in
today's hybrids. You would also use this feedback to stop the wheel from
skidding.

Each wheel would have a stationary stator and a series of fixed magnets
closely adjacent all around the inside of the wheel. In a sense it would
operate each wheel in a very similar fashion that the mag-lev trains use,
except the motion would be circular, of course. Something very different
about this type of motor is that the stators are fixed to the axles and the
magnets are driven around them. This gives a significant increase in
mechanical advantage. That's like turning an ordinary electric motor inside
out.

There would be no need for ordinary electric motor brushes. In fact, many
electric motors operating today are brushless.

Such motors already exist in the model airplane field and their efficiently
is amazing - approaching 90%. I've got a couple and doubt that I would ever
buy any other type.

It's possible to hang the model on the prop right out in front of you and
accelerate straight up, like a rocket, with this type motor

In the vehicle the motor/generator would not turn on to recharge the
batteries until they needed it. There are already experimental Lithium-Ion
driven cars that can get in excess of 200 miles before they have to be
recharged by plugging them in.

Lithium -Ion battery technology is so new that I doubt that very many
automotive engineers have even heard of them, much less thought to use them
in this manner. Their energy density exceeds that of any other form of
rechargeable energy storage.

The Lithium Ion
battery is the most efficient battery available right now. So is the
outer rotor electric motor.

Build an SUV right and it will weight less and have simpler, easier to repair/replace modules.

Lets see what we can eliminate while improving performance and efficiency.

Transmission - None

Ignition system - None

Liquid cooling - None

Valves and valve train - None

Give me a call if you have any questions.

Lucas