Product is there, but no ones looking.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Feb 11 2007, 12:02 PM) [snapback]388475[/snapback]</div>

Tony you are a smart guy, you make some good points but I have to take issue with the "Toyota is helping the American economy" and Gm and Ford are not because they outsource jobs. This is just baloney, yes Toyota has produced some jobs in the US but several jobs are lost for every job they create. We are being taken advantage of as a country by several countries in the world and unfortunately lies are becoming truth. I am hopeful that the Democrats in Washington will start telling like it really is. We are at economic war with China and Japan especially and every day is Pearl Harbor.

Some very interesting articles form late last week:

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/demo...86CBFA9518D8%7D

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/News/N...how/1581471.cms

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17056678/

http://www.autonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/arti...=73271937862130

Also did you see the leaked Toyota memo on quality problems and potential cost problems at American factories?

Remember every Japanese nameplate point of market share costs 18,000 American jobs. Not BS, just the facts!

I can't believe some of you who i consider very smart people keep buying the bs being floated out there by compnaies like Toyota, countries like Japan and China and Americans who are making huge very short profits from selling our collective souls.

Remember GM and Ford bought over 65,000 workers out in 2006 and Toyota claims to have less than 39,000 employees in all of North america? Does something not add up? Please start thinking about what is happening to the US before it is too late.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(TonyPSchaefer @ Feb 12 2007, 10:06 AM) [snapback]388852[/snapback]</div>

Resist the flame wars. Especially with eighth graders.

 

It just amazes me that I've met online so many 13-year-olds, 1st-generation Americans or not American at all, people "researching hybrids", supposedly inarticulate in other ways, that turn out to be masterful in web skills and baiting. In real life, these people are way nicer, but then I also know they are who they say they are.

Just a general statement.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Feb 12 2007, 09:32 AM) [snapback]388859[/snapback]</div>

Okay, you provided several links to a debate over whether or not Japan has a truly free valuation on the yen. If trained economists can't agree on this (and I have great respect for Sec. Paulson), I'm not one to give a better answer.

What is it about American car companies that deserve patriotic buying, but cellphones, TVs, clothing, anything cheap and small does not deserve? We've lost tons of those jobs to China and India, and there's huge ships steaming across the ocean carrying nothing but $2 items because we want to go to WalMart and save a couple bucks rather than buying local products from a mom-and-pop store. Why only cars?

What I know is that the American companies, for one reason or another, are not providing a vehicle that fits my needs. Toyota does, so I bought it. If there were two equal or near-equal vehicles for me, one was domestic and the other not, I'd choose the domestic (as much for local consumption of resources as for "patriotic duty"). But that choice is not available to me. I refuse to baby the "American" car companies and enable them to continue to make mistakes. This is called capitalism, the company with the better product wins. Eventually the domestic car companies will figure out the writing on the wall for the future of oil and vehicles, or they will collapse. I was unemployed for the better part of a year after the telecom industry fell apart in 2002-2003 (I could see the writing on the wall and tried to get out of the industry, but couldn't), so I don't envy the people involved at all. But if you want protection of jobs despite changing marketplaces or shoddy craftsmanship, then you need to impose communism. Those are the options.

 

Hey, Malorn: I'll buy a GM car: Just tell them to go ahead and build the Chevy Volt now, instead of waiting for that imaginary perfect battery to magically appear. As long as it's got enough power to drive safely on the freeway, and enough range to get me to Coeur d'Alene and back (100-mile range will do it, allowing for plenty of safety margin). Of course, if someone else (like those mean old Japanese, for example) comes out with one first, GM loses my business.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(malorn @ Feb 12 2007, 10:32 AM) [snapback]388859[/snapback]</div>

could you log in as porkfriedrice now?

 

It's kind of late in this thread to ask this question:

Would someone of Asian decent be likely to name themselves "porkfriedrice"?

Can't say with certainty, but I'm skeptical.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(porkfriedrice @ Feb 11 2007, 12:53 PM) [snapback]388444[/snapback]</div>

um, no, we are not all Americans.

The United States of America is a country, not a race.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Delta Flyer @ Feb 12 2007, 02:54 PM) [snapback]389038[/snapback]</div>

I'm a teacher. I read 8th grade papers. This is no 8th grader. Not unless he's home schooled and reads at the 12+th grade level and has been accepted to Harvard next year. This aside from the fact that I know of no 8th grader with the interest to accumulate the vast knowledge of the auto industry, labor and economics displayed by this "child" without weeks of researching an expository paper. And I've worked with GATE seminar students. They're not that auto-oriented yet. Especially for a child that claims no ties to the industry at all; no family members working for any auto company.

Most 8th graders capable of writing these posts would have to have worked on them for a few weeks and edited dozens of drafts. This isn't the writing of an 8th grader on the fly.

That said, if the moderators can prove that "PorkFriedRice" is another poster, say Malorn, that has signed on with a second persona then I say the moderators are within their rights to ban both PorkFriedRice and Malorn from this board. If creating a second persona for the purposes of baiting, hiding your true identity or whatever isn't against the forum rules, it should be. I don't care if this was an 'experiment' by Malorn to see if an 8th grader would get the same responses to his statements as a GM dealer.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(porkfriedrice @ Feb 12 2007, 03:19 PM) [snapback]389058[/snapback]</div>

8th graders don't write like this. Not even GATE seminar kids.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(porkfriedrice @ Feb 12 2007, 03:19 PM) [snapback]389058[/snapback]</div>

Didn't you read your own sig?

"Take the blue pill to go back to your normal life, take the red to discover the truth."

What 8th grade kid is going to write this?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Feb 12 2007, 02:40 PM) [snapback]389067[/snapback]</div>

This is perceptive of you to see this "8th grader" is either a prodigy or fraud. I'd think a prodigy would be doing other things. I've forgotten how hard a research paper and for that matter - typing was back in the 8th grade.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Feb 12 2007, 02:40 PM) [snapback]389067[/snapback]</div>

Let's say your suspicion is correct: porkfriedrice=Malorn (or another regular member with simliar views)

This is really pathetic of whoever did it - no honesty - no credibility - no character. What this person seeks to gain is beyond me as he has put himself beneath respect doing this. The silver lining is in the future porkfriedrice and his aliases will be instantly discredited. Assuming Godiva is correct - of course.

 

One other thing - why would a gifted and talented 8th grader be posting this morning and out of class?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Delta Flyer @ Feb 12 2007, 04:12 PM) [snapback]389095[/snapback]</div>

It's a holiday.

 

I forgot about President's day.

At any rate, maybe the originator of porkfriedrice prefers to be known by that name.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Delta Flyer @ Feb 12 2007, 12:56 PM) [snapback]389082[/snapback]</div>

Did you have a computer when you were that age? I did not. My kid was typing 100+ words per minute in the eighth grade.

All that being said, I am also skeptical that PFR is who he claims to be.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(IsrAmeriPrius @ Feb 12 2007, 03:39 PM) [snapback]389109[/snapback]</div>

In the 8th grade, I had access to a 1950's high-top typewriter and occasionally at school an electric typewriter.


If porkfriedrice's IP address matches an active member at PC, I'd love for that info to go public. Then we would just reply to that person: "Hi PFR" then ignore them.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Delta Flyer @ Feb 12 2007, 04:23 PM) [snapback]389100[/snapback]</div>

No. It's Lincoln's Birthday. Next week we also have Monday off for Washington's Birthday. President's Day is for those that only get one day. Poor guys.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(daniel @ Feb 12 2007, 01:01 PM) [snapback]389004[/snapback]</div>

The Chevy Volt is real and I will be able to sell you one before 2010. I would love to drive it out to you, get a photo I could post on here!



<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(maggieddd @ Feb 12 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]389017[/snapback]</div>

I think it might be my oldest son but he is only 8 not 8th grade! :lol:


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(maggieddd @ Feb 12 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]389017[/snapback]</div>

Maggieddd, have not heard form you in a long, long time!

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Godiva @ Feb 12 2007, 02:40 PM) [snapback]389067[/snapback]</div>

That's a quote from The Matrix. Entirely believable. Doesn't relate to Dem/Rep, hence PFR's confusion.

I don't see a need to try to track this person down. That's not what a newsgroup is all about, especially one where the members are supposed to open and friendly. Assuming PFR is who he says he is, determining the identity of an online minor is not entirely ethical in my mind. (And it's not Malorn - the writing style is different, the arguments take different tacks, Malorn included China as our competitors, etc.)

In my memory, I would write things like this in 8th grade. Maybe my memory is not accurate, but keep in mind, this is PFR's interest, not an assignment. Makes it much easier to research that kind of thing. Plus there's no strict need to keep footnotes, reference lists, double-check grammar and spelling (wasn't really first-checked if you noticed), etc.