Finally wrapping up my audio upgrade, maybe this info helps you

Discussion in 'Gen 5 Prius Audio, Electronics and Infotainment' started by soft_r, Dec 20, 2024.

  1. soft_r

    soft_r Active Member

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    Tips:
    1. Feed your own wires from behind the stereo to the tweeters. It's not hard, you can use a thin stick to tape the wire to and push it through the opening in the dash behind the stereo to each tweeter. This allows you to have your tweeters on your wires and they'll be disconnected from factory wiring. Your front and rear doors will stay connected to factory wiring. Now you have individual control over all 3 sets of speakers.
    2. If you're installing your own amp, just use OFC copper. Go to Lowes/Home Depot. It's less than $2/ft for 4awg. Do it right the first time and don't cheap out with CCA wiring.
    3. Run your speaker wires to the left under the dash, down the driver side kick panels. Not the right side. Keeps them away from HV lines and the battery on the right. Less potential interference.
    4. I suggest something like a Kicker KEYLOC to help you get a flat clean signal to your amp. There's definitely some cleanup to be done to get rid of the factory tuning.
    5. The mechanical latch wires for the doors resonate at certain frequencies. It can be annoying. Usually stuff below 400hz gets them vibrating. Really you just have to tape them down everywhere. Still not a perfect solve but it does help.
    I've finally settled on a JL Audio VXi600/6i and a NVX VAD10001 to power the subwoofer. I had a custom trunk cover made so if you looked in my trunk right now it looks totally normal. Wouldn't know that under the flooring is my amp setup.

    Speakers and why I chose them...
    Dash = CDT Audio Unity 8.0: These have good off-axis (ie. not facing directly at you) response which you want given that these are in dash speakers. They are WIDEBAND drivers, not just tweeters. They aren't screechy, they sound great IMO. People say the 7.5 have better off axis response but honestly these sound great and didn't need a ton of EQ to level them out.

    Front doors = TM65 mkIV Midbass: Everything I read about them had people praising them with only the best things to say. Honestly I'm not THAT blown away by them but they certainly don't sound bad. It could just be their location that hinders things. And I've tried many crossover points with them. They are JUST good speakers but not worth $300+ for the set IMO (I got mine on sale). But again, might be their location in the door that doesn't allow them to reach full potential.

    Rear doors = Alpine S2-S65C: This is the COMPONENT version. There is a coax version as well, which honestly since I'm doing rear fill maybe I should've gone with coax but whatever. This was just on sale, I've had good personal experience with Alpine products in the past and it didn't need to be an exceptional speaker in the rear because I'm just doing rear fill. I have no complaints.

    Technicals...
    • Measurements were done with a Behringer ECM8000 microphone, calibration file loaded for it, run through an Apple USB-C DAC (sounds silly but it is actually a really clean little adapter).
    • I am not a professional anything and I have not had a "professional tune" done. This is all me from trial and error and learning and experimenting and what sounds best to me.
    • If you're doing a driver-only tune, then by measurement at mic you need to subtract 2.5dB from all driver side speakers. Personally from my listening I felt like -4dB sounded better.
    • Crossovers are (currently):
      • Dash - 1,000hz @ 12dB LR
        • Because they are widebands I felt comfortable crossing them this low. And the measured audio response was still fine from them. Will probably settle at 1.2khz though.
      • Front Doors - 80hz @ 24dB LR / 1,000hz @ 12dB LR
        • Could go lower but we have a subwoofer for those, and because the speaker is at our ankle I didn't like more directional frequencies being down there.
      • Rear Doors - 333hz @ 48dB LR / 3,000hz @ 12dB LR
        • Rear doors are doing DIFFERENTIAL REAR FILL. Hence why they are handling this odd frequency range.
      • Sub - 31hz @ 48dB LR / 60hz @ 24dB LR
        • Because people (myself especially) listens to the sub louder than the rest of the components 60hz felt more appropriate. By the time we hit the 80hz crossover of the front doors it blends nicely. Also my high pass filter is 31hz @ 48 because the tuning of my subwoofer is 42hz so 31hz allows me to play max at its tuning frequency and then sharply drop off on lower frequencies which may damage it if they're too loud.
    • Timings are (Left/Right, in miliseconds):
      • Dash - 0.78/0
      • Front Doors - 1.21/0.09
      • Rear Doors - 1.95/0.61
        • It's suggested to add extra delay to the rears when doing rear fill but I didn't feel it was necessary. I played with it a bit and just didn't feel a need to add additional delay beyond the standard for distance. Sound stage is still nicely up front.
      • Subwoofer - 0.57
        • Subwoofer is a down firing low profile sub in the trunk area. I set its delay by playing pink noise from it and the front door speakers (setting the sub crossover to 80hz instead of 60hz for this), and then I inverted the polarity of the subwoofer and adjusted timings until I found the greatest dip (cancellation) in my frequency measuring. Then I flipped the polarity back to normal on the sub. That got me perfectly phase aligned sub to front door sound.

     

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    Looks good, would love to see more photos.
     
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    Surprised this didn't get much attention.
    Seems there's not many enthusiasts on this site other than a handful.
     
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    A lot of us in the upper trims are somewhat limited because of the JBL amp. If I were upgrading, I'd want to start with something like a iDatalink Maestro DSR1 so I could replace the amp. But I don't know if there's one out there that's compatible with the gen5 w/JBL.
     
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    I've got nothing to add to this other than nice work here.

    I was big into car audio in the early 2000's with my Toyota Matrix. I was immature and bumped everywhere I went. It got me in so much trouble. Live and learn I guess.
     
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    nice job very technical.. I dont bother with the stock stereo tho, I just prefer using a DSP to my iphone and that is the signal sent to amps.. I've tried the dsp correction of the stock signal but i'm too particular for that. anyway enjoy that sound upgrade.
     
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    I'm at the age where I'm more concerned with getting to work and having a bit of music, and not worrying about the sound quality too too much now. I'd rather pay off the car, or the mortgage, or put money into my kid's education account, or spend the money on a vacation or other leisure activity first now :p

    I would like to get better than stock speakers at some point, but I don't think I'd go as far as a speaker amp and rewiring everything etc etc. That's just a lot of work and hassle for a mix of talk radio/podcasts/and a bit of music. If I was driving really long distances and spending a *lot* of time in the car, I'd obviously change my mind and might throw more money in though.
     
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    bro as soon as i could i took out the jbl system, amp still sits there but i only use it as a speaker level turn on wire to my DSP. I know adding speakers and amps isnt for everyone but it's a must for me and so i find it very easy to do.
     
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    Does your setup allow the car's nav to override your audio like the stock setup does? That's been one of the things holding me back. I don't want to give up any functionality. I believe that's one of the purposes of the Maestro DSR1, but they don't have a programming file for the gen5 Prius yet.
     
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    I've have been checking the site very regularly for an update. You could probably use one for a new corolla since it's the same amp etc but I would double check pinouts before plugging anything in.
     
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    No, i don't have nav but i use my iphone and maps, waze.. it's bluetooth so all that gets routed through the audio amps speakers..
     
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    If I'm being totally honest the effort is not worth the reward.

    But I am a project-oriented person and if my brain latches on to something and I go into a 6-12 month rabbit hole of information gathering, testing, and production then so be it. This was not so much "I am an audiophile and i need the best sound" but rather "i'm hypermanic and will dedicate my life for the foreseeable future to learning about and improving this thing that I have fixated on until the dopamine rush from it is gone".

    Could you tell the difference in audio between sitting in my car vs a stock gen5? ABSOLUTELY. It is night and day. Even just loading in a blank profile on my DSP with no speaker frequency tuning and no timings, there's a notable difference in audio quality.

    Does it matter though in the long run for the general audio experience? Not really.

    Add a subwoofer and replace the very muddy sounding dash tweeters with some good widebands and that's enough for the average person to have an improved listening experience without getting deep in the weeds.
     
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    Exactly! That's what I did (see my "on the cheap" post in this forum). I've had multi-kilobuck audio systems in two of my previous cars, and, yes, they rock out better than the cheap setup, but is it really worth it? No. For one thing, you are also fighting a high noise ratio that increases with speed and road surface conditions. A losing battle. Just getting a 3-6 db improvement in road and tire noise is a major effort with the Prius. With Infinity dash tweeters and a cheap sub, in a non-moving, windows-up enviro, the 600 dollar stock system upgrade rivals most home systems under 2K, 40-15000 kHz.