... our democrat friends, eating their own ~

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  1. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The comment was about appliances. Some government board said they were looking into regulating the emissions from gas stoves and ranges cause they can be a significant source of particles and other harmful emissions. One member made an off hand comment about even banning them, and it has become a right panic along the lines of "they are coming for my guns" in the years since.

    It has been quite some time since emission devices negatively impacted gasoline cars. Some diesel ones could still be seen as in the early days of development, but the cost to properly delete them could be less than just taking care of them.

    Ask your coworkers if they would be willing to pay the difference in fuel costs to use gasoline or diesel. The government programs for switching vehicles to CNG is because it is a cleaner, domestic fuel. Businesses mostly do it for the savings in fuel costs.
     
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    One is actually behaving illegally, the other despite accusations is not.

    From what I can tell crashing assets of all types including stocks is making Americans lives worse and more expensive.

    I don’t need a crystal ball to see cause and effect here.
    I don’t need a crystal ball to see where most of the unkind words are originating.

    Elections have consequences.

    Usually with winners and losers,

    I don’t see anyone winning this time.
     
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    Dow Jones:
    April 4,2024 - 38,596.98
    April 4, 2025 - 39,096.69
     
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    And yet 2025 has wiped $8Trillion off the books worldwide
     
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    Get used to it - the USA is

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    in debt with no hope of ever being able to pay it off.

    Something dramatic has got to be done.


    The USA days of irresponsibility are numbered - many of our irresponsible states and people are going to pay an enormous price for that fiscal irresponsibility - (reference the city of Detroit and the effect on its pensioners when it went bankrupt)

    Many of the USA debt holders are not altruistic people - ex: how is your Chinese.

    The fiscal predicament the USA is in is not a joke, it is going to be an albatross around our young people's necks for decades maybe even centuries.

    I am glad to see someone with the nerve to address this runaway irresponsibility.

    Failure to pay your debts and manage your finances is not political, it is quite simply irresponsible.

    10 years since bankruptcy, Detroit's finances are better but city workers and retirees feel burned
     
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    $38,888. at 1:37pm

    i agree with you on the debt. i don't agree that trunk and leon will be able to do anything about it.
    time will tell
     
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    Sometimes I think they complain just to complain. I know they would not be willing to spend one cent on fuel. But they don't have to, the county pays for it all. Oddly they complain that the government takes too much in taxes, but then complain about using cheaper fuels in government owned vehicles that are paid with said taxes.

    That's all I can go by. It's very likely that things, including cars, will get more expensive in the meantime. Whether it helps the US debt or helps me buy a house some day are things to be seen. I just hope for the best but prepare for the worst. I'm ready to go homeless and car-less if that's what's going to happen. If a house that I'd live in becomes affordable, then I'll buy it. If there aren't any cars that are within my budget from here on out, I'll be walking or biking everywhere here pretty soon then I guess. Hopefully someone will come in and start selling affordable cars. And no, the Corolla is not affordable, not new anyway and used prices will likely shoot up quickly here real soon.
     
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    They'll likely add to the debt with their actions. The Repubs extending the Trump tax cuts will do so.
     
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    Let's be clear...Congress is who authorizes spending more than we have.
     
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    which is the problem maga claims trunk will solve. but will he? can he? does he really want to, or is it all smoke and mirrors.
    he has been a proponent of bring back manufacturing since day one of his first campaign.
    but he hasn't said what that will look like. how do we get beyond environmental problems?
    where is the labor going to come from, and what will products cost that are manufactured here?
     
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    Definitely a lot of what-ifs and who-knows. And I have no idea at all. I can see this going from anywhere to some improvement to an all-out disaster, or something somewhere in the middle. But what will the final outcome actually be? I haven't the slightest idea.

    One optimistic guess I have is that, assuming Trump is making an honest effort with a lot of thought behind it, if more jobs are brought to the USA and fewer of those jobs are occupied by foreign workers then there will be a higher demand for US workers. And a higher demand will mean a higher cost to the businesses that employ them, in other words, higher wages. However, higher costs to employ workers usually means higher inflation due to the need to increase prices to offset those higher wages. So, will that be a win or a loss? I have no idea.

    But that's assuming a lot. Less foreign competition may mean less effort needed to make a profit. Prices could go through the roof and consumers will have no choice but to pay those higher prices. This could mean fewer products would have to be made, or they could be made with lower quality, meaning that fewer workers would be needed.

    Economics are about like quantum physics. People may think something is intuitive. Next thing you know, you got a box with a cat that's both dead and alive at the same time.
     
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    He will solve the problem the same way the North Carolina Supreme Court and legislature solved the issue of a liberal Judge Justice Riggs winning a seat by 61,000 votes.

    Just go to court and throw out the votes without cause saying someone who didn’t win by a mile won anyway.

    If your not saving money just say you are, done. If work isn’t coming back just say it did, done

     
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    at some point, if budget numbers are in question, investors will sour on treasuries.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Good!
    Most people discover the magic of living within their means when they no longer have easy access to credit.......
     
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    and rates will rise, a bonus for us fixed income folks
     
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    Get a grip. Taking on debt 122% of your yearly product is scary, but many households take on that much or more when buying a house, and nobody says they have no hope of ever being able to pay it off.

    Even granting that, for purposes of argument, there's still a difference between "something dramatic that will be constructive" and "any cockamamie thing because it's dramatic."

    The US has, so far, never failed to responsibly pay its debts, though some in Congress have repeatedly flirted with doing so, sometimes seriously enough to get our credit downgraded.

    If you are a household dealing with a debt that feels too burdensome, there are responsible and constructive things you can do about it, but willfully worsening your credit rating and making it more burdensome and expensive to service is not one of the things.
     
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    ... I'd otherwise hope for a moment to pass along a heartfelt, much overdue apology, to Mr. Musk and his DOGE team, on our whacked-out fellow democrats' behalf, who've found themselves angered beyond limit of their indignation, misguided, misinformed, unable to control their emotions, steeped headlong in abject denial.

    Hitting out, firebombing car dealerships, keying cars, beating up little old ladies in EVs, though they know exactly what it is they do, they know not why:

    Incoming... DOGE Team Makes Huge Discovery.. to Be Revealed Soon: WH Spox | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

    To Mr. Elon Musk and his DOGE crew, kudos, for a job well done! Godspeed! Well wishes! May our prayers preserve you! Blessings to you and yours!

    Beers to you!


    Samuel, '04 Ruthiemobile


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    anyone who would congratulate them, with no idea if they have actually done anything useful or constructive, has their head in the sand
     
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    The trouble with your assessment is that if you remove the political aspect the number of Americans in general who say that has been going up every year since 2009.

    January 6’rs weren’t there to have koolaide and brats with Pense. Several large 8chan movements before November were if he doesn’t win we need civil war.

    When people who are supposedly role models use put downs continuously and encourage violent take overs of allies and foreign countries, remove people from the country without due process and scapegoat millions of people as rapists, thieves, pado’s , murders, pardon and safeguard criminals like Andrew Tate.

    Such behavior makes cukes, loonies, anarchists and others feel fully justified in spreading hatred, because said role model does.

    I have seen folks repeatedly on social media say because of Drump I can now talk about how much I h8te migrants, h8te this, say that, and it goes on. Some of these individuals feel empowered to go further than talk about it.

    In such an environment we get to see the products of escalation happening live in front of our eyes. This never ends well
     
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