New Traction battery video from Dr. Kelly

A coal plant exposes the local population to more radiation than a nuclear one. Also lots of heavy metals and toxins in the huge fly ash piles around coal plants.

Fracking for oil bring radioactive minerals up to the surface. Some of this waste brine is quite 'hot', but isn't regulated for radiation. Some is being used as ice melt. Let's just spray radium on our roads and sidewalks. No issues with that.

We can recycle the harmful components in a battery. Can even do so with nuclear fuel. With fossil fuels, it just gets injected into the air and water, and onto the land.

 

1. Once again, you don't seem to be up on the issues. It's CO² that is causing Climate Change, not carbon monoxide.
There is a huge Panasonic battery plane under construction in the KC area. How far to you think this operation will "saturate the region" with 'various toxic metals'?
I would hope a modern manufacturing operation follows EPA guidance and doesn't dump its waste in the local stream, like they did in your youth.
But then with the FDA and EPA being gutted by this administration for reasons no one knows,,, so maybe streams are fair game for waste disposal.... Just like they did back when america was great. When was that in your opinion?

2.. Well, you do understand that industry mainly cares about "More Profitable".
You've never driven an EV, have you?

Do you really enjoy that stop at the local QT to pay Big Oil your monthly payments?
Remember your last oil change? I don't. (but full disclosure: I'm past due on my Drive Unit fluid change at 127k miles.)
And as always, I pay less than a penny per mile in my EV. YOU?

 

There's a typo about carbon monoxide. Of course it's carbon dioxide.
About the cent per mile, I've already read somewhere. It's not nice to rob others.

Factor in the cost of driving one mile plus the cost of buying the car itself.
This is all included in your cost per mile.
Over time, your car's value will tend toward zero.
The value of my hybrid will allow me to sell it for a small loss on the original cost.

 

The total cost of ownership of a BEV matches an ICE model. That's in Europe where they have actual low cost EV choices. Though a Model 3 matched the Camry in the US at one time.

 

You Anti-WV guys are funny! My local electric provider started requiring customers to 'Choose a Plan'. So I chose the best plan for EV owners.
And now you are accusing me of being a Robber. Nice talk there...
If it makes you guys any happier my average rate for my plan, over a 24hr period, is $0.125/kWh. Just like it used to be, only now I have peak, off-peak and super off-peak. And I only charge from 12 -6 AM to get the ~3 cent/kWh rate.
Why is this bad again?

2.. Shall we compare TCO and break it down to pennies per mile? You first.
I'm pretty sure "your car's value will tend towards zero" also. No way around that, unless you have some exotic collectable.
"Small loss in original cost" ,,, Total BS. Did Faux Gnews tell you that?

 

You take electricity for a cent, I take gasoline for a cent.
That's my gasoline supplier.

 

OK EV hater.
Now you're just being silly.
When and why did this EV hate begin?

I just don't like giving Big Oil my dollars. So I chose a better way to travel in a car.

 

That was my takeaway from the video as well. It looks like a very modular battery pack that is relatively "serviceable". So when it nears the end of it's usable life a new pack (in theory) be swapped in.

 

Your journey in an electric car is limited to half the estimated range on one charge from the last charging point. "You are tied to the cable." There is no charging point, you are stuck.
You can't put kilowatt-hours in the trunk, unlike a couple of canisters of gasoline. Batteries are not that perfect yet.

Let's end this pointless debate in this thread.

I am not a supporter of gasoline, diesel or electric cars. I am a supporter of common sense.
If it is profitable for you to drive an electric car, and it satisfies all your needs, then continue to drive an electric car.
If someone benefits from driving a car with an internal combustion engine, then this is his decision and he will drive such a car as much as he wants.

 

1.. Agreed!

2. Except for this one last thing pointing out you are spouting Faux Gnews crap.

You seem to know diddly squatt about driving a modern EV. I guess they never mention the vast DCFC network.
I drove my Bolt home from LA to KC,, 5 years ago and the DCFC network has been getting bigger every day since then.

Turn Faux off and get on your rudimentary web connection and look some things up,, or not.
You seem to have your opinion stuck in the past. Along with your knowledge on the subject.

If you'd like to increase your knowledge go to: ABRP
Play around, pick an EV, like a ~250 mile range Bolt, set up a trip and see all the details it displays for the route, and how easy it is to do road trips with an EV,,, or not...

 

You never gave details on why you believe there are few effective and/or safe non-combustion ways of making electricity. Just vague allusions to potential environmental and public health harm while ignoring the same from fossil fuels. Evs can fail, but a shift electric generation is still needed.

 

It's probably just another 'typo' where he means Efficient.
(using the wrong word is not a typo, btw.)

Now what do you mean by 'Ev's can fail'? Like a break down on the side of the road, like Gassers do all the time?
Or , I have an Anti-EV pal that said to me, "Aren't you worried you bought an Edsel?"
Like the millions of EV's on the road, around the world are just an experimental thing and someday they'll be gone and we'll return to Burning Stuff to roll down the road?

 

Renewable electricity generation and EVs aren't dependent on the other.

 

I think that is the case for many EV packs after taking them apart. They are designed like hybrid batteries. Just more modules and stacks. The case can get big enough that it can take on some structural load, but is still something that can be removed from the car. The exception would be actual structural packs where the battery is built into the car's frame.

Replacing bad battery modules will be possible with most EVs. Popular models might have a third party offer a better than original battery. the car company would rather sell you a new EV instead of offering a better replacement.

 

As are most EV packs, except for Brand T where they're 'potted into the pack.
I think the big improvement is mounting this sealed pack outside the cabin of the car.
The previous PiPs and Primes had all those cells/modules just sitting in the cabin with cabin air flowing through it.

Welcome to the future toyota! Now these PHEV are not like some home-built add-on to an existing prius!

 

Heh! dont shoot down my dreams of a V8 Hybrid powered AWD Prius V PHEV that I'm making....

 

Will it have the cells/modules mounted in the cabin and be vented to ..... the cabin?

 

yes mounted in cabin and vent in cabin... why do you ask?