Featured 2026 Toyota CH-R+ EV (and refreshed bZ4X)

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Tideland Prius, Mar 12, 2025 at 1:32 PM.

  1. Tideland Prius

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    Summary:
    • The e-TNGA BEV philosophy and dedicated tuning of the suspension and steering combine to deliver an authentically rewarding, fun-to-drive character with superior driving dynamics
    • Wide customer choice ensured with 57.7 kWh and 77 kWh battery options and front and all-wheel drive versions
    • AWD version will be one of the most powerful models in Toyota’s European standard model range, expected to deliver 343 DIN hp / 252 kW and 0-100 km/h in 5.2 seconds*
    • Market launch in selected European markets will begin in late 2025, giving Toyota a powerful presence at the heart of the critical C-SUV BEV market

    • An 11 kW onboard charger is provided as standard, with a 22 kW unit provided from High grade. Fast DC charging can achieve speeds of up to 150 kW.

    What’s new in the updated Toyota BZ4x?
    For the first time in a BZ4x model, the new version gets battery pre-conditioning, with a development target, according to Toyota, of quick-charging in approximately 30 minutes under cold conditions by maintaining the battery at a temperature optimal for charging. The output of eAxle has also been updated to included taking into consideration suspension settings, and Toyota reports a better- and quieter-riding experience.
     
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    I like it at $25,000.
     
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    A friend said to me a while ago, "How come all the new cars coming out look the same?" She was referring to this type of car. The lack of creative/artistic talent at Toyota when it comes to new vehicle design has never been lower. I guess after they made the Gen5 Prius look pretty they fired everybody again?
     
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    It’s all about aerodynamics and efficiency these days, as it should be I suppose
     
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    But then they couldn't complain that nobody is interested in their $60K EV and $45K hybrids are what people really want. : -)

    I bet the Gen2 Prius is more aerodynamic than these ugly crossovers that all look the same.
     
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    You could be right, the cd’s are probably available somewhere
     
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    My hybrid fuel cost is now up to 7.3 cents a mile. My wife's hybrid sedan is even less.
    Both insurance and depreciation costs are less than most EVs.
    Tires cost less.
    OTOH, my maintenance costs are much higher.
    But no range anxiety.
    No fueling delay or doubt. No need to route predicated on fueling available.
    Less acceleration.
    Noisier Rav4 but not her Avalon.
    More utility for the Rav4 than most EVs.
    More range for both cars than most EVs.

    Life is a series of tradeoffs.
     
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    Toyota should swap every Miri for these cars . . . or give at least a deep, 50% discount.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Can't help think that at least here in the USA - cars are getting so much bigger - which may not do much for Its sales popularity.
    This summer, we might just push our garage out an extra four feet just so we can navigate around the big honkn suckers we now have parked in there.
     
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    FYI: Approximate Specs on C-HR+ and updated bZ4X from the following links:
    Toyota updates the battery-electric bZ4X for faster charging, more power and longer range
    World debut of the all-new battery electric Toyota C-HR+

    For the C-HR+ it is available with:
    • FWD w/57.7 kWh battery - 123 kW (165 hp) output
    • FWD w/77 kWh battery - 165 kW (221.3 hp) output
    • AWD w/77 kWh battery - 252 kW (338 hp) output
    For the bZ4X it is available with:
    • FWD w/57.7 kW battery - 123 kW (165 hp) output
    • FWD w/73.1 kW battery - 165 kW (221.3 hp) output
    • AWD w/73.1 kW battery - 252 kW (338 hp) output
    Range for C-HR+ and I would assume FWD w/77 kWh battery is 600 km (373 miles) WLTP roughly equals EPA 471.6 km (293 miles)
    Range for updated bZ4X and again I assume FWD w/73.1 kWh battery is 573 km (356 miles) WLTP roughly equals EPA 450.4 km (280 miles). EPA equivalent was factored by comparing bZ4X FWD range WLTP to bZ4X FWD EPA and came out to subtracting 21.4% from WLTP estimates. For comparison the current bZ4X is available with a 72.8 kW battery for the AWD version and 71.4 kWh battery for the FWD version. The current FWD bZ4X version with 18" wheels gets 406 km (252 miles) EPA so the updated bZ4x gets 11% better range.

    The updated bZ4X, in Europe at least, can now tow 1,500 kg (3,307 lbs). No info about wheel selection.
     
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    But the reason your costs are so low is becasue the true costs of your fuel have been externalized. As in you don't have to pay for the trillions of dollars in damage to the planet and human infrastructure that's already occurring and will continue to worsen in coming decades. The stupid low price of fossil fools is much like how billionaires spend pennies to make millions through corruption and exploitation.
     
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    Why has everything gotta be a damn crossover SUV?

    Aerodynamic is efficient. That's where you get the range, not trying to push a brick through the air.
     
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    It's like all the different design of vehicles is suddenly not their concern and they just want to make one specific type of car and the customer is told that's where the demand is. But that's just the demand of active people who need a nice rig to go places, not people who want a car the fits their personality for mostly around town driving.

    It's always been like this, like the loophole that classified SUV as trucks, which made bigger profits for auto makers then regular passenger cars so we were all convinced that everyone wanted SUVs and automakers made more money that way.

    What's worse, all those SUVs kept flipping over shorter guard rails and k-rails on the highway so we spent hundreds of billions replacing every last one of them to make them much higher.
     
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    Because of the utility of an SUV.

    Yes of course a sedan is more aero efficient but every vehicle has trade offs where something is emphasized and something else is sacrificed.
     
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    hycam is about 6 cents per mile

    bolt is about 8 cents