SARS-CoV-2 Coronavirus (COVID-19)

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  1. frodoz737

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    No. I was however, mandated to get the shots (or be fired) and forced to wear the masks...and still caught the bug.
     
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    And your immune system, having already practiced on the vaccine, fought it off. Cool beans.
     
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    Is this the one? Researchers Describe Rare Syndrome After COVID Vaccine | MedPage Today

    Immune cell populations of people with post-vaccination syndrome had lower levels of effector CD4 T cells and higher levels of CD8 T cells that secrete tumor necrosis factor (TNF) compared with healthy controls, reported Akiko Iwasaki, PhD, of Yale University School of Medicine in New Haven, Connecticut, and co-authors in a preprint posted on medRxivopens in a new tab or window. The paper has not been peer-reviewed.
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    The immune findings came from an analysis of 42 people with post-vaccination syndrome (29 females and 13 males, all with no pre-existing comorbidities) and 22 controls who did not have post-vaccination syndrome after receiving a COVID vaccine (11 females and 11 males) from the LISTENopens in a new tab or window study. All blood samples were collected between December 2022 and November 2023.

    The median age of participants was 42.5 years. The most frequent symptoms reported by those with post-vaccination syndrome were excessive fatigue (85%), tingling and numbness (80%), exercise intolerance (80%), brain fog (77.5%), difficulty concentrating or focusing (72.5%), trouble falling or staying asleep (70%), neuropathy (70%), muscle aches (70%), anxiety (65%), tinnitus (60%), and burning sensations (57.5%).

    The study is limited by its small sample size and the fact that post-vaccination syndrome is "a very, very heterogeneous" disorder, noted Gregory Poland, MD, president of the Atria Health and Research Institute in New York City and emeritus editor-in-chief of the Vaccinejournal.
    We must be careful with early, small sample size studies. But as a general rule, I wait about 10-30 minutes after any vaccination incase something goes "BOINK." I also have a needle phobia which make waiting a lot easier.

    Bob Wilson
     
  6. tochatihu

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    "I also have a needle phobia ..." As do I, but mine is purely visually based. With eyes averted even18-ga 'whole blood draw needles' are unremarkable. Don't even know of smaller are used for blood chem. Look away, look away.

    Large pipes are needed for red blood cell (RBC) reuse, as they have thin membranes as required for prompt oxygen give-and-take. Imagine life of an RBC; in high pressure then low pressure on minutes time scale for a month or whatever it similarly is. But always within biological 'tubing'. Then a blood draw happens, and they 'hit metal'. Specifically the bevel of the needle where shear awaits. Microscale boink.

    Yes that's how I think about things. Some things. Their boink >> mine.

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    "... an analysis of 42 people ..." That is few by any rational measure, but it is twice those in Wakefield et al. 1998 leading to vaccines maybe cause autism. A small movement in the correct direction. Many including co authors have disputed Wakefield so further flogging seems unnecessary.

    Unless a new HHS Director needs a bit of a flog. Poor fella.
     
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    I've had my 6th Covid shot, no serious effects beside sometimes the sore arm, most often the exhausted thing that is cleared up by the next day .... and on a few occasions, the shortness of breath and rapid heart beat, not serious, but you know it's different to normal .... but after each one, all gone after a good nights sleep.
    The Japanese encephalitis vaccine, that floored me for 2 weeks, but still better than being floored completely ;):p

    We also have a problem with Ross River fever and Dengi fever, mostly because we live beside the Murray River and they are both mosquito spread .... unfortunately, there is no vaccine for those, and they both either kill or leave the victim a mess for 12 mths and they never really recover ...

    I've had a Shingles attack, that is like nothing else I can compare it to to describe it ..... I contracted it across the right side of my head, across the forehead and around the right eye and down the left side of my nose .... spent 24 hrs in hospital in an isolation room being pumped full of something and loads of Endone .... if it wasn't for the agonising pain, I could have been in full party drugged mode ....

    I'm looking forward to clearing a test so I can get an immunisation against another serve attack of that, not something I wish on ..... well, most people :whistle:

    T1 Terry
     
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    Science ... the creators of DES (diethylstilbestrol) daughters ... a term referencing (mostly) female children born to mothers who had trouble conceiving. It reminds me mRNA drugs. You whip up a batch of 'cure' ... & seemingly cure peeps of what's ailing them, & make a ton of dough along the way - never considering down the road what may or may not be the ramifications. Three, four, five or more years down the road is not down the road. DES daughters exemplify down the road - some 20-years later or so. The daughters of DES mothers - decades later in many instances became cancer-prone. The Mother-in-law had 4 daughters after the wonder drug DES. Two out of 4 (one being my better ½) occasionally have tumors removed, some benign, some not.
    Then - many peeps will give you the stink eye when you scrutinize science unquestioningly. Cross your fingers -
    Diethylstilbestrol (DES) Exposure and Cancer - NCI
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    Here we go again…
     
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    Your example drug came out in 1940. Tetatogenic studies on drugs weren't done back then. Regulations changed in the 1960s, and drugs and additives do undergo such testing. Including mRNA vaccines.
    Risk of congenital malformation following first trimester mRNA COVID-19 vaccine exposure in pregnancy: the COVI-PREG prospective cohort - PMC .
    Risk of congenital malformation after first trimester mRNA COVID-19 vaccine exposure in pregnancy: the COVI-PREG prospective cohort - ScienceDirect
    https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2790610
     
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    Sure hope you're right. Time will tell.
     
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    diethylstilbestrol was in obvious hindsight, a mistake

    Are the Effects of DES Over? A Tragic Lesson from the Past - PMC
    The history of DES, lessons to be learned - PubMed
    Diethylstilbestrol (DES) Exposure and Cancer - NCI

    "It reminds me mRNA drugs." @hill says. It is an endocrine disruptor, and seems to have informed the medical community to examine any potential drugs to be scrutinized for such functions. @Trollbait may be informing about that.

    Something that is not an endocrine disruptor does not remind me of endocrine disruptors.
     
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    Ah, but you have deviously flipped it around. Come now, does something that is an endocrine disruptor remind you of things that are not endocrine disruptors?
     
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    No. Are you asking me this?
     
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    Reg's may have changed in the '60s but DES continued use well into late '70s (in europe) & Eli Lilly kept profiting off it until 1979 -
    Tetatogenic studies may reduce a LOT of birth defects - but it doesn't eliminate them all.
     
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    "Reg's may have changed in the '60s ..." Could we restate that as did? It matters.
     
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    Seems Reg's changed more recently too.
     
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    I think I have had 5 Covid, and did the two shingles. Got everything. No flu this year, forgot. People waiting for shots out on chairs told me shingles was bad, so I went about getting the shots as important. I think it was the roughest shot, but barely remember now. Doesn’t matter, it’s the vaccination we want, a little discomfort is not anything.
     
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    Everyone I've talked to who has had shingles has assured me I do not want to have shingles.